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	<title>Comments on: If Craigslist Were Raising Money, What Would It Be Worth?</title>
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		<title>By: Tony Sena</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/blog/2007/09/if_craigslist_were_raising_money_what_would_it_be_worth.html/comment-page-1#comment-1719</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Sena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you said at the end of your blog, you can raise a ton of capital, but if people don&#039;t like your platform, it doesn&#039;t matter how much you raise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you said at the end of your blog, you can raise a ton of capital, but if people don&#8217;t like your platform, it doesn&#8217;t matter how much you raise.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can another eBay be built today on the same premises that got eBay to where it is? Honestly, I&#039;m not so sure.  The webRnet isn&#039;t the same animal.  The number of people fighting for the same eyeballs with the same basic value propositions is exponentially higher than it was back in the mid 90&#039;s when both Craigslist and eBay were started. I&#039;m sure everyone values the concept of &quot;community&quot;. The hard question for me is, &quot;yea but how do you get a big one?&quot;. And here, I think everyone is right:

1) Build the best experience
2) Have the best people (marketing,dev,etc)
3) Have a rich value proposition for users
4) Work harder at &quot;web marketing&quot; than everyone else
5) Suck the air out of the room in your vertical such that everyone else is seen to be &quot;following&quot; vs. &quot;leading&quot;
6) Have an ability to buy other people&#039;s eyeballs (e.g. take a page out of the Marchex book)
6.a.) That means have cash to take others out when you see a good opportunity
7) Understand search engines better than your competitors
8) Understand link building better than your competitors
9) Understand &quot;conversion&quot; better than your competitors
10) Do the best PR in your space
11) Look outside your space constantly for inspiration that can be applied (e.g. look at Yelp! Where did they come from!? And why?)
12) Spend &quot;smarter&quot; than everyone else - no matter how much money is in the bank
13) Develop and engineer with a &quot;360 degree&quot; view:  best UI, best usability, high performance, ability to scale, best prioritization of value features, best optimization for search and community functions
14) Develop a genuine emotional connection with users so they eventually feel a responsibility for the success of the company...and the community. At some point, it has to become less about the management and more about the users.
15) Move faster than everyone else

Back to the cash thing:

For some businesses today, the ability to buy others eyeballs might be A LOT easier than organically attracting them. That takes cash. But I suspect that buying ability still doesn&#039;t let anyone off the hook when it comes to having to build the best product. But having the best product isn&#039;t always a cash equation. It&#039;s a people question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can another eBay be built today on the same premises that got eBay to where it is? Honestly, I&#8217;m not so sure.  The webRnet isn&#8217;t the same animal.  The number of people fighting for the same eyeballs with the same basic value propositions is exponentially higher than it was back in the mid 90&#8242;s when both Craigslist and eBay were started. I&#8217;m sure everyone values the concept of &#8220;community&#8221;. The hard question for me is, &#8220;yea but how do you get a big one?&#8221;. And here, I think everyone is right:</p>
<p>1) Build the best experience<br />
2) Have the best people (marketing,dev,etc)<br />
3) Have a rich value proposition for users<br />
4) Work harder at &#8220;web marketing&#8221; than everyone else<br />
5) Suck the air out of the room in your vertical such that everyone else is seen to be &#8220;following&#8221; vs. &#8220;leading&#8221;<br />
6) Have an ability to buy other people&#8217;s eyeballs (e.g. take a page out of the Marchex book)<br />
6.a.) That means have cash to take others out when you see a good opportunity<br />
7) Understand search engines better than your competitors<br />
8) Understand link building better than your competitors<br />
9) Understand &#8220;conversion&#8221; better than your competitors<br />
10) Do the best PR in your space<br />
11) Look outside your space constantly for inspiration that can be applied (e.g. look at Yelp! Where did they come from!? And why?)<br />
12) Spend &#8220;smarter&#8221; than everyone else &#8211; no matter how much money is in the bank<br />
13) Develop and engineer with a &#8220;360 degree&#8221; view:  best UI, best usability, high performance, ability to scale, best prioritization of value features, best optimization for search and community functions<br />
14) Develop a genuine emotional connection with users so they eventually feel a responsibility for the success of the company&#8230;and the community. At some point, it has to become less about the management and more about the users.<br />
15) Move faster than everyone else</p>
<p>Back to the cash thing:</p>
<p>For some businesses today, the ability to buy others eyeballs might be A LOT easier than organically attracting them. That takes cash. But I suspect that buying ability still doesn&#8217;t let anyone off the hook when it comes to having to build the best product. But having the best product isn&#8217;t always a cash equation. It&#8217;s a people question.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Kelman</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/blog/2007/09/if_craigslist_were_raising_money_what_would_it_be_worth.html/comment-page-1#comment-1680</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Kelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eBay drives me nuts too because its IBM-powered site is such crap. First-mover advantage really matters when you&#039;re trying to create your own private marketplace. In almost any other case, yes, the community will migrate to the best site, which may or may not be built by the company with the most resources. I really do believe in small engineering teams (to a point, and in part because I have no choice given the size of our own team).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eBay drives me nuts too because its IBM-powered site is such crap. First-mover advantage really matters when you&#8217;re trying to create your own private marketplace. In almost any other case, yes, the community will migrate to the best site, which may or may not be built by the company with the most resources. I really do believe in small engineering teams (to a point, and in part because I have no choice given the size of our own team).</p>
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		<title>By: rich barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>rich barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insightful, per usual, Glenn, and it does have me thinking.  Perhaps I&#039;ve just been in the &quot;software&quot; business far too long, and I&#039;m assuming that the creation of a better &quot;user experience&quot; and a more intuitive application will end up winning over something that is less usable. My assumption is that it is generally resources that can be marshalled against building great software that will end up winning, thus the company with a business model will win.  Your post adds to a bunch of signal I&#039;ve been getting about how community, or rather, mature network effects, trumps software.  Look no further than ebay to see this.  From a software and UI perspective Ebay is really a mess, yet their strong network effect has enabled them an extended period of lack of innovation and still there are no challengers to one of the great web ideas of all time.  Anyway, good mental bubble gum, and, clearly the building of community is central to our mission at Zillow.  I&#039;d not put together that community and resource$ are to manfestations of the same stuff, though.  There&#039;s some Einsteinian equation in there, maybe.  It&#039;s not E=Mc^2 (Energy = Mass) it&#039;s C=Mx^2 (Community = Money).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insightful, per usual, Glenn, and it does have me thinking.  Perhaps I&#8217;ve just been in the &#8220;software&#8221; business far too long, and I&#8217;m assuming that the creation of a better &#8220;user experience&#8221; and a more intuitive application will end up winning over something that is less usable. My assumption is that it is generally resources that can be marshalled against building great software that will end up winning, thus the company with a business model will win.  Your post adds to a bunch of signal I&#8217;ve been getting about how community, or rather, mature network effects, trumps software.  Look no further than ebay to see this.  From a software and UI perspective Ebay is really a mess, yet their strong network effect has enabled them an extended period of lack of innovation and still there are no challengers to one of the great web ideas of all time.  Anyway, good mental bubble gum, and, clearly the building of community is central to our mission at Zillow.  I&#8217;d not put together that community and resource$ are to manfestations of the same stuff, though.  There&#8217;s some Einsteinian equation in there, maybe.  It&#8217;s not E=Mc^2 (Energy = Mass) it&#8217;s C=Mx^2 (Community = Money).</p>
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