February 12, 2008
How Green Was My Valley
The New York Times reports Friday that alone among all the cities hoping to be the next Silicon Valley, Seattle “is actually doing it.”
But the Times didn’t talk to iLike President Hadi Partovi, or Zillow.com CEO Rich Barton, both entrepreneurs who, like many of the folks at Redfin, shuttle between Seattle and Silicon Valley. None of us thinks Seattle is ever going to be much like Silicon Valley. We believe instead that what other cities can learn from Seattle is how to be different than the Valley, not the same.
In reality, most places don’t even want to try to be like the Valley. Seattle has become unrecognizably wealthier in the past decade, yet is oddly unhappy about it. Many Seattleites wish we were still a modest boreal town rather than a Microsoft-Amazon megapolis. The question I am most often asked here is where I went to high school — twenty years ago — not what I’m doing next.
The Valley by contrast is a heartless amnesiac. In my 16 years there I can’t recall anyone’s ever expressing nostalgia for how it
used to be. This is probably because almost no one in Silicon Valley has any idea how it used to be. Internet guru Michael Arrington often opens conferences by asking audience-members from Silicon Valley to raise their hands and then, if they were born in the Valley, to keep their hands raised. Hands go up and down like The Wave.
And this is what Michael loves about the Valley: that it calls out at dog-whistle frequencies to nerds across America, Russia, India and China. The single-mindedness of their migration belongs in National Geographic. My first roommate spent four years building a company in San Francisco without ever buying furniture. When his startup went bust, he packed for the trip home to Toronto the same day.
Seattle is different. People live in Seattle because they love Seattle. When I was still looking for a reason to be here myself, I often asked Redfin recruits what brought them to town. The answer I always hoped for was “CONQUEST.” But what everyone talked about was something I still barely understand: the lifestyle and schools, the mountains and lakes. “Do you have any idea,” I finally told one candidate, “how bizarre it is to swim in a lake at the center of a city?”
Failure to appreciate a lake is viewed by many Seattleites as a sign of mental illness. But the Valley’s monomania is really just a kind of pubescence. What else could account for the Valley’s self-righteousness, its congregations of frustrated dudes, its all-nighters, idealism, delusions of grandeur, mood-swings, longings, dramas, hero-worship and pranks? Anywhere else by contrast seems all grown-up.
No one in the Valley can afford to grow up. Just as stressful environments delay the onset of sexual maturity in marsupials, a high cost of living – a two-bedroom house in Palo Alto typically costs more than $1.5 million — prevents people from buying homes and having children. In Silicon Valley, Seattle’s 28 year-old family man is still working his tail off for a hit.
The Hogwarts of Silicon Valley
The other source of Silicon Valley’s youthfulness is, in fact, places like Seattle. Seattle has some of America’s best high schools, but sends many of its best computer science students to California.
The founders of Apple, Google, Intel, Sun and Yahoo! all graduated from Berkeley or Stanford; an enormous graduating class seeks to follow in their footsteps every year. The whole state of Washington produces about 150 computer science graduates a year.
Stanford in particular is not just the source of Silicon Valley’s manpower but its magic. Guy Kawasaki says it is “the single biggest reason for Silicon Valley’s existence.” And as Hadi notes, “very few colleges spit out 21-year-olds who think they can be the next Jerry Yang or Larry Page.” It’s painful for those of us never admitted to Stanford to marvel at its sunny rejection of failure, its Hadron-sized Internet connections, its courses on venture capital and Facebook, its magnificent sense of entitlement.
Yet we all know that without Stanford the Valley would grow old and die. Native Seattleites hardly notice Seattle’s Stanfordlessness; Valley expats never get over it.
Rotarians and Pirates
This is not to say that Seattle is all bad for entrepreneurs, only that the ways in which it is good only show how different it is compared to Silicon Valley. Start with Seattle’s Rotary Club, the largest in the world. High-tech entrepreneurs are expected to be pillars of the business community here, not, as Silicon Valley’s establishment likes to think of itself, pirates of the Caribbean.
At one of the first conferences I attended in Seattle, I was shocked to hear a speaker talk about how to improve K-12 math education, not how to hack a Tivo. It took a while to realize that “K” stood for kindergarten, not kilobytes. But this mindset connects us to a set of civic virtues bigger than any one company. It’s why I’m optimistic about Seattle over the long haul.
And it has nurtured a rookie CEO like me. A Seattle journalist e-mailed me while I was still loading the tiny U-Haul that brought me here. A VC who should have eaten my gizzard for breakfast invited me to his lake house for dinner. A startup CEO who offered money-raising advice over lunch diverted us from Quiznos to Carmines. Redfin is better because of their help.
Far from the Madding Crowd
Few people would have had the time to help in Silicon Valley. The chaos of newcomers and the desperation of those who want to stay make the Valley seem like a capital about to fall in a coup. Dingbat ideas are scattered like pennies on a sidewalk. Overlooking last night’s website launch is like showing up at a party with last year’s purse.
The cult of the new may seem like madness but here’s the method to it: what’s often most difficult about developing a new idea is figuring out if it’s already an old idea. A business just like the one you’ve been dreaming of may already be forming within Google, or preparing to launch on its own.
When you and everyone you know spend 18 hours a day downloading, hacking, breaking, sharing, gossiping, criticizing and arguing about the Web, it’s easier to tell when an idea is truly new. And if you don’t, it’s almost impossible to catch up.
This is why Hadi says so many Seattle entrepreneurs develop ideas late. We aren’t slow; just out of the loop. Even Seattle’s greatest two start-ups, Amazon and Microsoft, were first conceived somewhere else.
But being apart from Silicon Valley can give entrepreneurs the latitude to think about what works, not what’s fashionable. It was, at first, hard for me to break out of the Valley mindset. My initial question in setting Redfin’s course wasn’t “Is there a business here?” but “Is it cool?”
Because Redfin’s business — real estate — isn’t cool. And taking on the messy business of serving customers directly definitely isn’t cool. But some of the best – and most meaningful — new ventures may be the ones that combine old and new business models, experience and youthful recklessness, perseverance and opportunism. And it is these ventures that really seem to belong in Seattle.
Loyal to a Fault
Because if it turns out that Zillow, iLike or Redfin are on to something good, it may be easier to build a long-term business in Seattle. Ten years on at Microsoft, engineers deep in Redmond’s rain forests are still writing the next version of Office. Meanwhile the engineers at Google are, as Zillow’s Rich Barton points out, plotting their next startup on the company dime.
I’m not sure which engineers one would rather have, but it is true that there is a blue-collar dedication in Seattle that you don’t find in the ADD-addled Valley. “You work hard here because it’s gray,” Rich writes. “Then you go hiking or fishing or skiing.”
I really like that advice. Unfazed by any heavy weather ahead, Rich keeps chugging along and having fun. And Seattle does, too.
Thanks to Rich Barton, CEO of real estate portal Zillow.com, and to Hadi Partovi, president of music discovery startup iLike, for their help.
Homes For Sale In Daytona Beach Florida said:
I was very interested in your story as I always could see my son being attracted to your area as he is into programing and website building.
I think growing pains are hard but the outcoming can be a well rounded community and I think it sounds even more appealing and if he does move there someday I can’t wait to check it out myself.
I can appreciate for someone who has lived there not wanting it to change but hopefully it will become a great melting pot.
February 12, 2008 7:03 AM
Glenn Kelman said:
Daytona, send your son our way… we’re always on the lookout for great engineers. So presumably is Zillow and iLike.
February 12, 2008 7:12 AM
Marcelo Calbucci said:
Very thoughtful post Glenn. Seattle is better because of people like you.
February 12, 2008 10:40 AM
Dominica DeGrandis said:
Great post, except….
Redfin’s business — real estate — IS cool.
It’s cool because helping people get their home in a great community is a big deal. Especially when it’s based off of accurate data from Realtors measured thru customer feedback. Seattle is lucky to have Redfin.
Regards,
Dominica
February 12, 2008 12:18 PM
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February 12, 2008 9:51 PM
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February 13, 2008 9:13 AM
Glenn Kelman said:
Dominica, thanks for your kind comment. I think Redfin is really cool too, but I know I’m hardly a fair judge.
February 13, 2008 9:44 AM
the baglady said:
excellent article. I have never been to Seattle but I totally understand what you are saying about the Silicon Valley. Since I am a Berkeley grad I wouldn’t say that the Valley would die without Stanford, though. Actually, maybe without Stanford the cost of living would go down a bit. Redfin is a great company, though!
February 13, 2008 1:02 PM
Glenn Kelman said:
I’m a Berkeley graduate too, and I agree that competition between the two universities is what makes the area so great. A one-campus town is a little more sleepy…
February 13, 2008 1:08 PM
Bad Advice said:
I’m actually quite confused by the “point” of this post. I’ve lived in DC, RTP, Austin and currently in Silicon Valley (and I’ve checked out Seattle) and most of these cities want to be incubators in the SV mode.
I also don’t know where this facile inference is from:
But the Valley’s monomania is really just a kind of pubescence. What else could account for the Valley’s self-righteousness, its congregations of frustrated dudes, its all-nighters, idealism, delusions of grandeur, mood-swings, longings, dramas, hero-worship and pranks? Anywhere else by contrast seems all grown-up.
What self-righteousness are you talking about?
Plenty of folks in the Bay Area come out here for the high-tech combined with (a) an awesome road cyclist scene, (b) a pretty good mountain biking scene, (c) access to Tahoe for ski and snow-boarding, (d) great sea-kayaking (and pretty good dragon-boating. To attempt to portray Seattle as a better outdoor mecca (not that Seattle is shabby in that regard) or that the Bay Area lacks civic virtue compared to Seattle (just because you went to one seminar on kindergarteners??) is flat out disingenuous.
The plain fact is that VC money is available in SV, but it comes at the cost of having a good idea combined with a well written business plan. There’s no point in granting out funds without the latter. There’s no “desperation” since you will get a bite at the apple once you get organized. As for dingbat ideas, well a number of those of panned out so I don’t get the sneer.
Again, I think this was suppose to be a comparison essay, but it seems to miss the point with its undercurrent of bitterness (whether at Stanford, the pace of life, etc.).
And to think that your business plan is probably premised on the “inflated” prices here in SV sort of brings an ironic twist (don’t ya think?).
And the inference that companies don’t last 10 years here in SV or that engineers don’t leave Microsfot? Where is that from? From one zillow article about google engineers? How many start-ups derived from Microsoft engineers cashing out?
PS And you can swim in the center of Austin–one of its charms (either at Barton Springs or in Town Lake)
February 13, 2008 1:50 PM
Glenn Kelman said:
There’s nothing bitter about this essay.
I love Silicon Valley, and one reason I wrote this essay was because I miss the pace of life there. But I love Seattle too. The point was that Seattle will never be like Silicon Valley, but that working here has its own advantages because Seattle can be such a nurturing environment, especially for off-beat business models.
The self-righteousness of Silicon Valley seems evident on sites like Slashdot and even TechCrunch, where folks can be very protective of the free space created by the Internet and hostile toward all the astroturfers, spammers, marketeers and purveyors of shoddy technology who are trying to ruin it.
I like that self-righteousness, and I like the profusion of “dingbat ideas,” the “desperation” of all the folks there who want to do something really big. And yes, I miss the Valley’s amazing cycling.
If you want to read a completely harmless description of Silicon Valley or Seattle, check out Encylopedia Brittanica, but the intent here was to say how I (and in places, Rich and Hadi) really feel about both places.
February 13, 2008 2:12 PM
Lenore Wilkas said:
Very introspective post. As someone who grew up in the Valley I’ve watched the changes with interest from the outside looking in, and the inside looking of the technology business. HP started the environment and that was in the 1930’s and it’s never been any other way since. Housing has cost so much because the Peninsula is landlocked and was esentially built out in the 1970’s so what’s there is what we all have to deal with and when you have more people wanting to buy, it’s simple supply-side economics of supply and demand. What we have that Seattle misses is the weather. We get sun most of the year. Don’t get me wrong, I love Seattle. It feels a lot like San Francisco once did years ago, a beautiful compact city over looking the water. Traffic in Seattle is just as bad as it is in the Valley, if not worse. Housing prices have risen in the Seattle area, like everywhere, but there’s more land to build upon, unlike the Valley. What attracts people to SV is the energy, the number of universities nearby and the acceptance of everyone for a company boot strapping itself to start up a business. Where else do you find that? And yes, there are companies around the Valley that have engineers who have been there a long time. Not everyone jumps ship every year any longer. I have always seen a parallel to Seattle and Silicon Valley for technology companies. What you have that beats us is the cost of living — housing specifically, but we can play outside all year long, and you can’t!
February 13, 2008 2:24 PM
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February 15, 2008 1:56 AM
Matt said:
Really insightful post! As someone at school in SV who spent the past summer working for the big MS in Seattle, this post definitely rings true. There was a distinct disconnected feeling from the bustling Techcrunch-reading life here in SV - something I attributed to my employment at a larger company like MS. But it sounds like a broader cultural difference than I realized.
It’s easy to interpret this difference as Seattleites having less passion about their work - do you think this is the case? Or are they (you?) simply better at balancing their passion between entrepreneurship and other endeavors? It sounds like Seattle (and Redfin) is a fun place to explore from an entrepreneurial standpoint - I’d be interested in getting more of a sense of the scene there (though I’d miss cycling on Skyline down here…).
February 15, 2008 3:57 AM
Anonymous said:
How Green Was My Valley
In reality, most places don’t even want to try to be like the Valley. Seattle has become unrecognizably wealthier in the past decade, yet is oddly unhappy about it. Many Seattleites wish we were still a modest boreal town rather than a Microsoft-…
February 15, 2008 4:39 AM
Nils Gilman said:
Remember his passage from Brave New World, describing the indoctrination of the Betas:
There was a pause, then the voice began again.
“Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they’re so frightfully clever. I’m really awfully glad I’m a Beta, because I don’t have to work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas or Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don’t want to play with Delta children. And Episilons are still worse….”
February 15, 2008 7:07 AM
Anonymous said:
I lived and worked in Seattle (amazon.com) for a couple years, and i do agree it’s a great place in terms of outdoor sports (i snowboard, hike, windsurf) and a cool place to raise a family. BUT - if you’re a young IT person looking to live a balanced life SEATTLE IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE and for sure SILICON VALLEY IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE.
why? simple - very superficial but true. What’s the ratio between men and women in these place? Better yet, what the ratio of men to good looking women?
There are startups and tech opportunities all over the world! Im in Dublin now (party capitol of europe) and can’t believe i wasted 2 years of my life going to Amazon/MS parties, sausage-fest night clubs, and coffee shops filled with hippies.
February 15, 2008 7:17 AM
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February 15, 2008 7:34 AM
Denny said:
Putting aside Seattle vs Silicon Valley for a moment, how about Seattle vs San Francisco?
Glenn, any advice about the current state of the SF real estate market for an Interlake alum about to make a move from NYC to SF? Give me a shout!
February 15, 2008 7:57 AM
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Silicon Valley said:
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February 15, 2008 9:44 AM
Frank Carmelo said:
On SF and Bay Area real estate: it is and always will be one of the two
But nobody should swallow the kool aide that makes you think it’s all purely supply and demand.
The same national and global factors related to credit have had the same falsely inflationary effect on real estate in Palo Alto and Pacific Heights as they have everywhere else. Prices WILL go down substantially - 25% to more than 40% including inflation. Just wait, this will play out over years. Values (including infation) dropped 25% between 89 and 96. It will be worse this time.
Rentals are brutal in the Bay Area, however. The East Bay is a great choice for value. But generally, I’d avoid the Bay Area unless you really, really want it. It’s just like Manhattan or West LA. You need to have a practical reason to be here. It’s too expensive to chill here. Try Portland.
February 15, 2008 10:05 AM
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Michael said:
Has anyone on redfin checked out www.openeco.org? Their site has energy calculators, tips and methods to reduce your carbon footprint at work and at home. They have ‘healthy business’ energy consumption goals and you can compare your emissions to other businesses.
February 15, 2008 10:42 AM
Chris said:
Great Post! As a born-and-bred Seattleite who went to Stanford, I think you really nailed it. SV’s detachment from the rest of the community is disconcerting– San Francisco might as well be on another planet. SV is an orgy of terrible ideas, megalomaniacs, and copy-cats, but thankfully, every once in a while a company sticks and becomes Google. I’d sign on with a team from Seattle over a team from the valley any day– Seattleites have their heads on straight. Except when it comes to building mass transit. They really suck at that.
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Atif Khan said:
I’ve decided to move my young company out to the Valley. For better or worse I think the environment and financial support is exactly what we need to grow and be successful. I moved deeda to Chicago from Boston to avoid a lot of the negatives you mentioned about the SV culture, but in the end sometimes you have no choice. After reading this story I’m really interested in learning more about Seattle. Unfortunately, at this time I don’t know anyone in the city to feel comfortable moving there.
February 15, 2008 2:35 PM
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Susie said:
I grew up in the valley since I was one. I hate what it has become…a magnet for geeks with no social skills but hubris up the wazoo. It’s like the revenge of the nerds movie. I wish they would all go back to where they came from and stop raising the prices here just b/c you like our weather. We need another dot com bust to get people to realize there’s more to life than work, work, work…and more work.
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February 16, 2008 9:45 PM
Liam said:
Check out another piece on the same topic over at Crosscut.com. Margaret Pugh O’Mara is an assistant professor at the Univeristy of Washington and a research scholar at Stanford. She studies urban “tech centers” and has some interesting thoughts. See http://www.crosscut.com/business-technology/11646/We+are+not+%27the+next+Silicon+Valley%27/
February 18, 2008 11:28 AM
Knol said:
A one-campus town is a little more sleepy…
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