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		<title>By: Maxx89</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxx89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NIMBY issues-per plant &amp; power lines, etc. ,</description>
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		<title>By: Cheap Deals</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheap Deals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 12:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cheap Deals</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 12:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Most of West Seattle is For Sale &#124; Redfin Seattle Sweet Digs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Most of West Seattle is For Sale &#124; Redfin Seattle Sweet Digs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] West Seattle have been on the market more than three months. What does this tell me? According to Glenn&#8217;s post about &#8220;real estate science&#8221;, this third of homes is probably discounted 8-12% from its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] West Seattle have been on the market more than three months. What does this tell me? According to Glenn&#8217;s post about &#8220;real estate science&#8221;, this third of homes is probably discounted 8-12% from its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: If You Want a Good Deal&#8230;. &#124; Redfin Boston Sweet Digs</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/blog/2008/08/more_real_estate_science_finding_the_sweetest_deals.html/comment-page-1#comment-3515</link>
		<dc:creator>If You Want a Good Deal&#8230;. &#124; Redfin Boston Sweet Digs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have been sitting on the market like stale donuts at the end of the day in a coffee shop. In fact, houses on the market for at least 94 days seem to offer the best deals, according to a Redfin [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have been sitting on the market like stale donuts at the end of the day in a coffee shop. In fact, houses on the market for at least 94 days seem to offer the best deals, according to a Redfin [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Real Estate &#8220;Science&#8221; from Redfin &#171; The Redmond Exburbs</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/blog/2008/08/more_real_estate_science_finding_the_sweetest_deals.html/comment-page-1#comment-3512</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Estate &#8220;Science&#8221; from Redfin &#171; The Redmond Exburbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the full blogpost summary on redfin, here [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Great Reports from Redfin and Zillow &#124; Seattle Bubble &#8212; News &#38; discussion about real estate &#38; the housing bubble in the Seattle area.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Reports from Redfin and Zillow &#124; Seattle Bubble &#8212; News &#38; discussion about real estate &#38; the housing bubble in the Seattle area.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up, Redfin came out with a great paper called Seven Tactics for Real Estate Bargaining. Check out their blog post announcing the study here. They analyzed recent sales data from 9,053 single-family-home sales across three markets, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Trevor Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

I think you have an excellent point regarding closing costs. Ideally, all of this data should be based on the net sales price, not the gross sales price. However, I know here in Seattle (and I believe its similar elsewhere), seller paid closing costs are not noted either in the MLS sales price or the sales price found on the tax records. This is wrong for so many reasons. 

1.) Apart from calling the buyer or buyer&#039;s agent of every home sold to see if closing costs were built in, there is no way to tell what a home actually sold for.
2.) This also affects appraisals. Unless you have an appraiser who is willing to go the extra mile when doing his homework, built in closing costs can artificially inflate sales prices.
3.) Some sellers, especially builders, will negotiate 3-6% off of the sales price as long as it&#039;s taken in the form of the seller paying the closing costs. As long as the top end number looks good, the builder&#039;s happy. High sales price = high comps for the next deal.

I think MLS&#039;s across the country should begin recording seller paid closing costs along with the sales price. This will allow all consumers to make a more informed decision when purchasing a home.

All the best ~
Trevor @ Redfin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>I think you have an excellent point regarding closing costs. Ideally, all of this data should be based on the net sales price, not the gross sales price. However, I know here in Seattle (and I believe its similar elsewhere), seller paid closing costs are not noted either in the MLS sales price or the sales price found on the tax records. This is wrong for so many reasons. </p>
<p>1.) Apart from calling the buyer or buyer&#8217;s agent of every home sold to see if closing costs were built in, there is no way to tell what a home actually sold for.<br />
2.) This also affects appraisals. Unless you have an appraiser who is willing to go the extra mile when doing his homework, built in closing costs can artificially inflate sales prices.<br />
3.) Some sellers, especially builders, will negotiate 3-6% off of the sales price as long as it&#8217;s taken in the form of the seller paying the closing costs. As long as the top end number looks good, the builder&#8217;s happy. High sales price = high comps for the next deal.</p>
<p>I think MLS&#8217;s across the country should begin recording seller paid closing costs along with the sales price. This will allow all consumers to make a more informed decision when purchasing a home.</p>
<p>All the best ~<br />
Trevor @ Redfin</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stating the obvious.  The outcome would be logical to anyone who has any sense, and certainly anyone even subconsciously aware of basic economics.  This study just goes to show two things:

1. Repackaged information will still get you attention, just because the topic is relevant and of interest.
2. There are still a bunch of dummies out there who don&#039;t know how to buy real estate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stating the obvious.  The outcome would be logical to anyone who has any sense, and certainly anyone even subconsciously aware of basic economics.  This study just goes to show two things:</p>
<p>1. Repackaged information will still get you attention, just because the topic is relevant and of interest.<br />
2. There are still a bunch of dummies out there who don&#8217;t know how to buy real estate.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Borges LL0SA= Broker FranklyRealty.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Borges LL0SA= Broker FranklyRealty.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, back up (insert sound of a large truck backing up)

Does your data include seller subsidy? That can be as high as 2% on average, and if you forget that, all your numbers will be off. Numbers should be based on the NET price.

And when you calculated &quot;off list&quot; , are you using the current list price or the original list price? 

Our local association NVAR continues to use, in my opinion, this incorrect math. They do it based on closed price as a % off current list price. When they did this, it was the same average &quot;2% off.&quot;

Add back in seller subsidy... and the average is 4% off. Add back in the Original list price and it grows to 6%. Add back in the original list price of the prior listing (DOMP) and you get 8% off.

So numbers are great and all, but it really depends on how you run the numbers.

Great marketing though.

Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, back up (insert sound of a large truck backing up)</p>
<p>Does your data include seller subsidy? That can be as high as 2% on average, and if you forget that, all your numbers will be off. Numbers should be based on the NET price.</p>
<p>And when you calculated &#8220;off list&#8221; , are you using the current list price or the original list price? </p>
<p>Our local association NVAR continues to use, in my opinion, this incorrect math. They do it based on closed price as a % off current list price. When they did this, it was the same average &#8220;2% off.&#8221;</p>
<p>Add back in seller subsidy&#8230; and the average is 4% off. Add back in the Original list price and it grows to 6%. Add back in the original list price of the prior listing (DOMP) and you get 8% off.</p>
<p>So numbers are great and all, but it really depends on how you run the numbers.</p>
<p>Great marketing though.</p>
<p>Frank</p>
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