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	<title>Comments on: Prop 2 1/2 Exemptions for Seniors</title>
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		<title>By: mike.martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1635</link>
		<dc:creator>mike.martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 14:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ellie.  I noticed one complaint that assessments of commercial properties are too low; I see the same problem in North Beverly and Beverly Farms, with multi-million dollar residential listings.  They assess for about 50% of market value, while my more humble abode assesses for close to 100%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ellie.  I noticed one complaint that assessments of commercial properties are too low; I see the same problem in North Beverly and Beverly Farms, with multi-million dollar residential listings.  They assess for about 50% of market value, while my more humble abode assesses for close to 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie at Redfin</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1625</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie at Redfin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of other blogs commented on this. Somerville Voices has some good info: 
http://www.somervillevoices.org/2008/04/02/housing/a-guide-to-tax-breaks/
 
and the alliance of Boston neighborhoods has a good analysis of why Boston&#039;s property taxes are so high:
http://www.abnboston.org/files/27805e66a50c5568c2e28d2035cfa188-36.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of other blogs commented on this. Somerville Voices has some good info:<br />
<a href="http://www.somervillevoices.org/2008/04/02/housing/a-guide-to-tax-breaks/" rel="nofollow">http://www.somervillevoices.org/2008/04/02/housing/a-guide-to-tax-breaks/</a></p>
<p>and the alliance of Boston neighborhoods has a good analysis of why Boston&#8217;s property taxes are so high:<br />
<a href="http://www.abnboston.org/files/27805e66a50c5568c2e28d2035cfa188-36.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.abnboston.org/files/27805e66a50c5568c2e28d2035cfa188-36.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mike.martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>mike.martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 12:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorty,

I went to U. Pitt during the reign of Wesley Posvar, whose retirement compensation gutted the University coffers to the tune of tens of millions of dollars and left the institution struggling through the next decade (The next chancellor didn&#039;t help; he spend over 6 figures to renovate his office before he even started the job).

Guess what Forbes Quad is now called!  Wesley Posvar Hall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorty,</p>
<p>I went to U. Pitt during the reign of Wesley Posvar, whose retirement compensation gutted the University coffers to the tune of tens of millions of dollars and left the institution struggling through the next decade (The next chancellor didn&#8217;t help; he spend over 6 figures to renovate his office before he even started the job).</p>
<p>Guess what Forbes Quad is now called!  Wesley Posvar Hall!</p>
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		<title>By: mike.martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1597</link>
		<dc:creator>mike.martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 12:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 

We tend to rob Peter to pay Paul in our fiscal dealings, which is one thing fiscal conservatives are right to complain about.  I&#039;ll clarify the home improvement thing: if we are already spending money on our ailing power grid, and really looking for increased energy independence, then giving a 1-time break to older people for energy-saving improvements to aged houses is a solid investment.
The over 60 vote is the vote that kills Prop 2 1/2 overrides; old people vote, and younger people don&#039;t.  We&#039;re lucky to see 60% voter turnout in this country, and because they make up a huge part of that voting electorate, seniors make a lot of our decisions.  I think we need the override, at least in Beverly.
This bill has ALREADY passed, and Eisenthal critiques it for favoring wealthy seniors -- and so do I, and so do you, apparently.  So we&#039;re not SO far opposed in our views.  
I&#039;m saying that if the govt. has to make concessions, they should be concessions that benefit the elderly citizens who NEED help -- not just folding money for the already wealthy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, </p>
<p>We tend to rob Peter to pay Paul in our fiscal dealings, which is one thing fiscal conservatives are right to complain about.  I&#8217;ll clarify the home improvement thing: if we are already spending money on our ailing power grid, and really looking for increased energy independence, then giving a 1-time break to older people for energy-saving improvements to aged houses is a solid investment.<br />
The over 60 vote is the vote that kills Prop 2 1/2 overrides; old people vote, and younger people don&#8217;t.  We&#8217;re lucky to see 60% voter turnout in this country, and because they make up a huge part of that voting electorate, seniors make a lot of our decisions.  I think we need the override, at least in Beverly.<br />
This bill has ALREADY passed, and Eisenthal critiques it for favoring wealthy seniors &#8212; and so do I, and so do you, apparently.  So we&#8217;re not SO far opposed in our views.<br />
I&#8217;m saying that if the govt. has to make concessions, they should be concessions that benefit the elderly citizens who NEED help &#8212; not just folding money for the already wealthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Shorty</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1596</link>
		<dc:creator>Shorty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 12:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that Silber followed his own advice.  And forgive me if I am deeply suspicious of anyone who quotes that evil little man.  

That aside, the elderly do often get tax breaks and other benefits that would also benefit the younger crowd. I&#039;d really like to see heath care extended to the younger generation.  Still, society does have a responsibility to take care of its members who can not work, and this strikes me as a pretty  reasonable way to go about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that Silber followed his own advice.  And forgive me if I am deeply suspicious of anyone who quotes that evil little man.  </p>
<p>That aside, the elderly do often get tax breaks and other benefits that would also benefit the younger crowd. I&#8217;d really like to see heath care extended to the younger generation.  Still, society does have a responsibility to take care of its members who can not work, and this strikes me as a pretty  reasonable way to go about it.</p>
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		<title>By: John K</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1592</link>
		<dc:creator>John K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 04:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to get into an argument, so I&#039;ll just add one more thing.

It&#039;s not practical to do what you suggest.  We all pay property taxes assessed at the value of the home, not based on income or anything else.  It seems like a terrible idea to me to mess with it.

I read your post.  You didn&#039;t stop there, I think you are also suggesting that the state / municipality give the elderly money so that they can make home improvements?!?

I&#039;m against messing with the property tax structure at all, this coming from someone who probably takes the least amount back in city services vs. what I put in.  Schools?  Yeah. Buses to drive the elderly to the market?  Yeah.  Count me in on both.

I know I&#039;m going to be old someday.  I realize, too, that I may not be able to pay my property taxes.

If the difference between having a home and not having a home is a $4,000 property tax bill, I think the elderly person has bigger issues to deal with.

In the immortal words of John Silber, &quot;When you&#039;re ripe, it&#039;s time to go.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to get into an argument, so I&#8217;ll just add one more thing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not practical to do what you suggest.  We all pay property taxes assessed at the value of the home, not based on income or anything else.  It seems like a terrible idea to me to mess with it.</p>
<p>I read your post.  You didn&#8217;t stop there, I think you are also suggesting that the state / municipality give the elderly money so that they can make home improvements?!?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m against messing with the property tax structure at all, this coming from someone who probably takes the least amount back in city services vs. what I put in.  Schools?  Yeah. Buses to drive the elderly to the market?  Yeah.  Count me in on both.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m going to be old someday.  I realize, too, that I may not be able to pay my property taxes.</p>
<p>If the difference between having a home and not having a home is a $4,000 property tax bill, I think the elderly person has bigger issues to deal with.</p>
<p>In the immortal words of John Silber, &#8220;When you&#8217;re ripe, it&#8217;s time to go.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mike.martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1590</link>
		<dc:creator>mike.martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 00:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, a system for making sure old people on relatively low fixed incomes aren&#039;t kicked out of their homes because of taxes is.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, a system for making sure old people on relatively low fixed incomes aren&#8217;t kicked out of their homes because of taxes is.</p>
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		<title>By: John K</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1589</link>
		<dc:creator>John K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 23:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Property tax exemptions for the elderly is suddenly a litmus test for whether or not one has compassion for old people?

Okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Property tax exemptions for the elderly is suddenly a litmus test for whether or not one has compassion for old people?</p>
<p>Okay.</p>
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		<title>By: mike.martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1585</link>
		<dc:creator>mike.martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it&#039;s always good to read before you open you...ah...keyboard.  I&#039;m not advocating the exemption, I&#039;m advocating something different than the bill that passed.  

I don&#039;t have kids either, but I&#039;m happy to support our schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it&#8217;s always good to read before you open you&#8230;ah&#8230;keyboard.  I&#8217;m not advocating the exemption, I&#8217;m advocating something different than the bill that passed.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have kids either, but I&#8217;m happy to support our schools.</p>
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		<title>By: mike.martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.redfin.com/boston/2008/05/prop_2_12_exemptions_for_seniors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator>mike.martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Prop 2 1/2 Override  really brings out the f#$*-them-and-let-them-starve in my readers; come on, John!  No, not harsh at all!  Why not just put the elderly on icebergs and set them adrift in arctic waters?  

People should be able to stay in their homes as long as possible in their old age.  I guess it isn&#039;t unusual that people have no compassion for the elderly, until they become elderly themselves. Old age is coming for us all.

All an override exemption does is freeze the rate of taxation for people who have lived in a community -- and paid taxes -- for a long time.  It doesn&#039;t exempt them from property taxes! Just from increases.

What sucks is that it ends up being really good to folks who don&#039;t need the break all that much, and only so-so to people on the edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Prop 2 1/2 Override  really brings out the f#$*-them-and-let-them-starve in my readers; come on, John!  No, not harsh at all!  Why not just put the elderly on icebergs and set them adrift in arctic waters?  </p>
<p>People should be able to stay in their homes as long as possible in their old age.  I guess it isn&#8217;t unusual that people have no compassion for the elderly, until they become elderly themselves. Old age is coming for us all.</p>
<p>All an override exemption does is freeze the rate of taxation for people who have lived in a community &#8212; and paid taxes &#8212; for a long time.  It doesn&#8217;t exempt them from property taxes! Just from increases.</p>
<p>What sucks is that it ends up being really good to folks who don&#8217;t need the break all that much, and only so-so to people on the edge.</p>
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