April 4, 2008

Real Estate Doesn’t Always Go Up: A Personal History

Many people think — or used to think — that real estate is an investment that always goes up.  But the reality is contained in only part of that statement:  Real estate is an investment

What is an investment?  It’s something you contribute to, nurture, and/or hold onto for some period of time, hoping to realize a reward.  When people treated real estate that way — bought a house, took care of it, and held onto it — their rewards were many:  an inflation hedge; stability; and perhaps a paid-off place to live in old age.money house Real Estate Doesnt Always Go Up: A Personal History

In the last few years, people have treated real estate not as an investment, but as a way to make a quick buck.  However, to make money on any investment, you’ve got to buy low and sell high.  Too many people bought when the market was already high.

As with the stock market, a buy-and-hold strategy works best for real estate.  That’s because, like the stock market, the real estate market has ups and downs. Some years it goes up a lot; other times it doesn’t go up at all, or it goes down.  But if you buy low, and hold on, you won’t have to worry about ups and downs.

Too bad I didn’t follow my own advice.  I’ve bought and sold half a dozen homes in my life, and ”made money” on only two of them.  I remember them well:

–1982, Pittburgh, PA:  Bought 1920 home for $58,500; sold two years later for $67,500.  Inflation was really high then, so everything was going up.
–1984, Phoenix, AZ: Bought 14-year-old ranch house for $88,000; sold four years later (after numerous improvements) for $88,000.  Housing was soft nationwide, and Phoenix was overloaded with new-home developments.
–1988, Riverside, CA: Bought brand-new 2,100-square-foot home on 1/3-acre lot for $156,500 (note:  buying low).  Ex-husband still owns that house, which is worth around $500,000 (note:  buying and holding). 
–1993, Moreno Valley, CA: Bought brand-new 2,100-square foot home at a developer’s auction for $142,000, which was about $45,000 less than neighbors paid a year earlier.  Sold in 1999 for $148,500. (Note:  Buying low and holding didn’t really help much here.)
–1999, Riverside, CA:  Bought brand-new, 2,500-square-foot house for $182,000 (note how price is not that different, 11 years later, from 1988 house).  Sold in 2005 for $450,000. (Note:  After 22 years of homeowning, this is the first significant money I’ve “made.”)
– 2005, San Marcos, CA (a.k.a. the dumbest thing I’ve ever done):  Bought five-year-old, 1,800-square-foot home in an overheated seller’s market for $517,000.  Sold in June 2007 for $483,000.  (Today, other homes in the neighborhood with the same floor plan are selling for around $400,000. One went for $343,000).
–2008, Los Angeles:  Sitting on what’s left of my money from the 2005 sale and happily throwing money away on rent.  I’m not saying I’ll never buy again, but I won’t buy high.  And I don’t know if “low” in L.A. will ever be low enough for me.

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  • You will be successful.
  • yes I am "feeling good" felt a lot better two years ago, but I love my home. And although real estate prices go up, then go down, they always seem to go up higher than the last high.

    It's all about loving your home and over time it will appreciate - but let's face it, we all want to buy low & sell high.
  • It is all about timing, Phyllis. I'm sure you're feeling good about your current home.
  • first home in Canoga Park about 5 years
    2nd home in glendale about 5 years
    3rd home in glendale another about 5 years - lost money on this one, but it's all about timing
    Present home la canada, 12 years
  • Hi, Tim! Thanks for you comments. I like your gambler analogy. Perfect.

    Phyllis, did you own the properties for a long time?

    Some Guy, I agree, it is a bit like buying stocks on margin. That's a good analogy.

    Yes, do your homework, buy low (or at least don't buy high), don't overextend yourself, and pay down your mortgage.
  • some guy
    What didn't really hit me until recently is that buying a house is like buying stocks on the margin. It amplifies the magnitude of your investment considerably (10X back when people could put 10% down) and if the house goes up in value then great, however if it goes down, as people are discovering, you have the potential to really take a massive hit.

    So the moral of the story is do your homework, (ie. don't buy a house unless you know it's a good value for the area) and only pay what you can comfortably afford. That way if you and up living in the house for 10 years you can't get hurt.
  • I have owned four homes (primary residences) have made money on three of them.

    But each one was purchased as a home, my residence not as an investment.
  • Tim Hebb
    For the sake of anecdotal comparison, my lifetime batting average on buying and selling homes is two out of three. I made a modest profit on the first property I owned with an ex-wife near downtown L.A. - a divorce gift, I guess. Then I lost a $30K down payment in the '90's when I had to short sell a N. Hollywood house I bought at the peak, just before the crash. Finally, I hit one out of the park in 2006 when I sold a Sherman Oaks SFR I'd bought in 2002. Overall, I'm well ahead. Like any addicted gambler, I expect to be back at the tables soon.
  • Hi, Julie, Dave and Dillon: Thanks for your comments! My husband and I were discussing this, and we realized that the last downturn really lasted about 10 years. Prices tanked in 1991, bottomed out around 1996 and bumped along for awhile before starting to creep up. I remember the coast was the first to recover, in 1998; there was a lot of demand in Newport Beach. Then the wave of buying moves slowly inland. We were able to unload our home in 1999, but the price we got was still about $40K, or about 25%, below what people who bought at the peak (1990) paid. Those people probably hit the break-even point in 2001. So 10 years.

    Unaffordability is so unbelievably low now, it makes me think we still have a ways to go before the bottom hits.

    But of course, Dillon, you make a great point when say that with a house, you do end up with something after you pay off the mortgage. If you can manage to do that, that's the way to go.
  • dave
    The Govt. can bailout all they want, but the prices are still going to go way down. People are not stupid (well, at least now they're not). They're not going to put money in until the bubble is fully deflated and real estate valuations make sense again.

    Prices in LA, for example, are ridiculously high still--even with near 20% drops this year. People's incomes can't pay these prices. Supply and demand will have it's day--as it always does.
  • Thanks for the story... makes me feel better about our situation knowing others have gone through it and made it to the other side!
  • Dillon
    Hi Cindy,

    I generally agree with your timeframe. However, the current bailout working through Congress may push up that schedule, since it has a lot of money in it for foreclosures and will probably boost up the demand somewhat. Not only do buyers get a $7k credit for buying foreclosures and short sales, but the local goverment will be a buyer as well. So looking at foreclosure numbers may not be an accurate measure in this cycle.

    As for buy-and-hold ... my parents bought a brand new condo in Tucson in 1981 for around $50k. It was their first home. It's been holding that same value until around 2002-2003, when prices shot up in the current cycle. It probably went to 120k at the top, and is now about 80k. I suspect it'll fall back down to 50k when all's said and done. So they've actually lost money due to inflation. However, they finally made the last mortgage payment on it last year, and now rents it out and earns pretty good income, since the only fixed costs are taxes, insurance, and HOA. I suspect they'll hold it 'til they die. So holding "forever" can also be a good investment in terms of income, even if the value doesn't appreciate. It'll probably take a couple decades of rental income to make up for the lost investment opportunity of all those mortgage payments. But eventually they'll make money if they live long enough. Anyways, just another perspective on the "investment" angle.
  • Hi, Steve: Based on my experience with the last downturn, you have to wait until foreclosures stop increasing. I would estimate that will take at least a couple more years. The areas that were the hardest hit will take longest to recover, and the areas hit the least will bounce back first. I think it will be at least two more years before prices stop falling and level off, maybe three. So I would keep watching the market, but I'm guessing 2010 or 2011 before things bottom out, and it might be several more years of slow or no appreciation after that.
  • steve-o
    When would you buy again if you had to time it.
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