April 7, 2008

Why Prices Will Continue to Fall

Lots of experts (and bloggers) are saying that home prices probably haven’t bottomed out yet.  Some of the more mathematical ones trot out charts and graphs and analyses to prove their point. I don’t know about you, but that stuff makes my eyes cross.

Fortunately, you don’t need to be an economist to figure out that prices are still too high in greater Los Angeles. (It’s pretty obvious, isn’t it?)  But if you need proof, there are at least two meaningful indicators that even a novice (like me) can understand.

Every quarter, Housing Tracker publishes an affordability report for major markets, including the L.A. area.  Included are two formulas that are important for anyone thinking of buying a home to keep track of:chart guy Why Prices Will Continue to Fall

1) Price to Income Ratio

A formula that lenders used to use for qualifying people for mortgages was this:  The price of the house should be no more than three times the buyers’ annual income.  So if you’re a couple making $100,000 a year, your home should cost no more than $300,000.

I can hear all you Angelenos laughing heartily.  It’s no wonder many of us have never heard of this formula, the same way we’ve never heard of $300,000 homes in greater L.A. 

Even if we agree that homes are in general worth more here, and therefore the ratio should be higher — say, four or five times income — well, we’re still a long way from that.  According to Housing Tracker’s third-quarter 2007 affordability report, the median-priced home in Los Angeles is more than 10 times the median family income. 

2) Price to Rent Ratio

Another meaningful measure is to compare a home’s selling price to its monthly rent.  The conventional wisdom is that the price of the home should be no more than 200 times (150 times is better) the cost of the monthly rental payment on the house. So if you’re renting a house for $2,000 a month, it shouldn’t cost more than $400,000 to buy.  Ideally it would cost around $300,000.

Housing Tracker compares the median single-family home price in L.A. to the median monthly rent for a three-bedroom apartment.  Our price to rent ratio in the third quarter of 2007:  314.8.  That says that a house that costs $2,000 to rent would cost more than $600,000 to buy. 

Loose credit standards and exotic mortgages allowed people to “afford” overpriced homes during the boom.  Home values stopped appreciating, but mortgage payments didn’t. The folks that own these overpriced properties (and/or unaffordable mortgages) have to work their way out of the market (i.e., sell at a loss or walk away) before things get back to normal.

Once the above ratios fall to more reasonable levels, buying will start to make sense again.

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  • l.a.guy
    L.A. Guy, I’m beginning to strongly suspect that you are an agent.

    Not an agent, but I have bought 5 houses in the past 20 years and have managed to profit from 50-100% on all of them. So I do my homework and have a pretty good understanding of real estate.

    Anyway, it’s not MY formula; it’s a common one that lenders USED to use before they loosened things up. And the 1/3 of gross income formula is higher than it used to be; it used to be 1/4.

    I'm not disagreeing with the formula, I am disagreeing with your interpretation of it. $1,800 is a lot of money, nevertheless it's 1/3 of $5,400, the amount you would need in order to meet the criteria. Obviously I'm speaking in generalizations, because if you had bad credit the requirements might look a lot different.

    Just because a lender tells you you CAN qualify for a certain loan doesn’t mean you SHOULD.

    I totally agree. :-)
  • L.A. Guy, I'm beginning to strongly suspect that you are an agent.

    Anyway, it's not MY formula; it's a common one that lenders USED to use before they loosened things up. And the 1/3 of gross income formula is higher than it used to be; it used to be 1/4. And a lot depends how much other debt you have. An $1,800 mortgage payment is a very large payment for someone making $64,000 a year. What about taxes and insurance? What about repairs, maintenance, and your car payment? Not much margin for error.

    Just because a lender tells you you CAN qualify for a certain loan doesn't mean you SHOULD. My husband and I once were told we QUALIFIED for an $800,000 mortgage. We had no intention of taking on that kind of debt. I cannot believe that anyone would. But of course they do.
  • l.a.guy
    While I agree housing prices will continue to fall, your logic regarding a $300K house requiring an income of $100K is wrong.

    The "rule of thumb" is that the mortgage payment shouldn't exceed 1/3 of your gross income.

    Realistically if you're buying a home for $300K today you'll need to put down 20%. (Although there is an FHA program at 3%) But let's say you were financing all $300K on a 30 year conventional loan at 6%, your monthly mortgage payments would be about $1,800. So you would need to gross $5,400 per month or $64,800 per year. That's a long way off from $100K.

    But yes, broadly speaking, until the median income can pay for the median price home, prices have got to keep coming down.
  • Hi, Phyllis: From a comsumer standpoint, it does seem likely that homes still have further to fall, considering how few people can afford to buy right now. It comes down to supply and demand. Of course, some of the coastal markets are still doing well. Where do you sell?
  • I wish I had your crystal ball ;-) I really don't know if prices will continue to go down. I think we are at or near bottom... but when showing property to clients, a lot of the homes I am showing are vacant, which is a bad sign.

    Maybe you are correct....
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