January 31, 2008

Going Postal Takes On A Whole New Meaning

mail Going Postal Takes On A Whole New Meaning

While this postal box is approved by the Postmaster General, this post probably won’t be. 

News has been hitting the street in droves – the US Postal Service intends to build a 350,000 sq ft distribution center in Aliso Viejo (basically a mass warehouse where semis truck in load after load of mail to be sorted and then ship it back out in aforementioned semis).  This has been public information for a while, but the battle is continuing to heat up with no signs of dying.

If you’ve been outside a Target, at any meeting of any sort, all you have to do is mention the word and residents get steamed up like a piping hot bowl of clam chowder!   The City of Aliso Viejo strongly opposes this move (read the documents here).  Announcements have been made at many of the civic, religious and educational meetings I’ve been to recently and petitions fly around like the little paper confetti in Tempe will this Sunday.

The biggest concerns surrounding this distribution center seem to focus on the traffic, environmental issues, and yes, even your real estate would be affected.

Issue 1  Traffic:  The City of Mission Viejo sent this letter to the Postal Service indicating their frustration with not being notified of the project since it will affect the Oso exit of I-5 (which is a pain much of the time without tons of semis exiting there).   It seems that the proposal failed to do any traffic studies about where all the semis or any planned “trip generation factors” to assess how the local area would be affected by this distribution plant.  

The City of Laguna Hills is also addressing this issue out of concern with traffic at the Alicia exit.  Their suggestion, as reported in the OC Register, was to force the semis to use the 73 Tollroad.  My guess (and what I’ve heard on the streets locally) is that while that would help, it won’t entirely stop the problem once the trucks exit 73 they have to go on the side streets we all drive on. 

These semi’s would be driving through many local neighborhoods as well.   Nothing says fun for the kiddos like having Mom yell out the window to “Watch out for the semis!” as you’re riding your bike down the street.

Remember, we’re talking 100 semis a day running 24/7, so if you want to take a drive down Oso (and in other local areas) and the distribution center gets put into place you better get used to looking at this outside your car window:

semi Going Postal Takes On A Whole New Meaning

Issue 2 Environment:  Coming straight from the appeals and petitions put out there, the environmental concerns include:  751 tons of solid waste per year, 6 million watts of electricity the facility would generate and use, ….as well as the impactsof noise, urban runoff, air quality [there will be 100 semis making daily trips to the center], and other significant impacts to the community.

Issue 3 Real Estate:  As if our home values weren’t taking enough of a beating, I can only venture to guess that this wouldn’t help.  When a family is house hunting, the thunderous sound of 100 semis barreling down the street on a given day takesw away from the pristine setting of Laguna Hills, Mission Viejo and Aliso Viejo as “family friendly” communities where OCers can enjoy our beautiful weather.   That is, after they sit through all the traffic from the semi’s backed up on the 5.  In fact there’s enough concern, the local Realtors were notified of this concern as well.  An appeal was made to the Orange County Association of Realtors to oppose the construction of such a facility.   

As you can see, this issue has been dragging out since last fall, but it’s not going away any time soon and it’s of concern for all local residents!  It affects your life, health and potentially home values!  We all want our mail delivered, but at what cost?


  • Debbie Sklar
    Sheila:

    I covered this very topic in my column in the OC Register's Aliso Viejo News a few months back -- it is indeed a hot topic. I wish more and more people in their various communities would get as involved and as worked up as residents in AV have become over this important issue.
  • Sheila
    Don't Buy in AV:
    You do have a valid point about the jobs that would be brought to the area (especially with an imminent recession).

    AV does have a higher foreclosure rate than some of the south OC cities, but it's not the highest in the county. When you look at the numbers from the 3rd & 4th quarter of 2007 you'll see that Anaheim, Ladera Ranch, Garden Grove, La Habra, Lake Forest, Mission Viejo (92691 part), all of Santa Ana, Westminster and Buena Park all had more foreclosures than AV. If foreclosures are the standard for becoming a slum then I think most OC cities are heading for trouble -- and heading there quickly!
  • Don't Buy In AV
    AV is not aging well & is on its way to being known as South County's slum,for a handful of reasons. This is probably one reason why the USPS has earmarked AV as its target location. The only good news -- it will bring desperately needed jobs into OC at a time when we are clearly in a recession & people are losing their homes right & left, with AV having one of the highest foreclosure rates in the County.
  • Sheila
    You hit on a great point Julie - it has to go somewhere...but as others have noted placing it so far from the interstate and tollway and right in the middle of a residential area, near schools, etc. seems a little difficult for residents to swallow. A location right off an interstate or toll road in a business district might be a better locale- but the USPS doesn't own land there and would have to pay for it making it a much pricier investment. It seems it's one they are not willing to make at the moment.
  • I have to agree with all the comments so far... on the one hand, they've got to put a distribution center somewhere and everyone is going to say, "Not in my backyard!"... And yet, on the other hand, the proposal doesn't seem well thought out and misplaced. What about the UPS distribution center right off the 73? Seems like they're a good role model for the USPS to follow... right off the toll road (away from the 5) and not in the middle of a residential area.
  • Sheila
    Concerned Dad-

    I appreciate and echo your sentiments regarding the traffic. I think it's the greatest concern for most locals!
  • Noise is the lesser of the concerns - this is about safety of our children. It appears that the USPS distribution facility in Aliso Viejo would have an impact to many, many miles of road between the freeway and the building. The USPS said they would run something around 150 trucks per day - I assume this is 150 trucks in, and 150 trucks out. So - between 150 and 300 truck trips per day. This is about a truck visit every 5 to 10 minutes on a 24 hour day (which the USPS also stated that this is a 24/7 facility). So from Mission Viejo, through Laguna Hills and Laguna Niguel, through half of Aliso Viejo, and back again we would have the hazard of trucks on our hilly roads, dodging family-filled mini-vans and kids on bikes. Lets not forget that this is on the same stretch of I-5 where three children were killed by a semi last year. Do we really need 150 more of them coming through our neighborhoods all day and night?

    I understand that the USPS has to have a distribution center somewhere - but why so far off the freeway in the middle of residential neighborhoods? This is what freeway-side industrial zoning is for.

    It would appear that the USPS made a foolish real estate decision 20 years ago and doesn't have the strength to admit it, and find a more appropriate location.
  • Sheila
    Not sure on the jobs though! That would be a plus.

    I think the noise factor is a minor concern, the biggest one is the traffic of 100 semis making round trips in the local area on the side roads, which are backed up with normal traffic anyway.

    We shall see what happens!
  • mgmtmom
    Will this bring jobs to Aliso Viejo?

    I had a beautiful house on a hill and the LA Transit authority changed the bus routes to run on the street directly below my house. I was in the process of changing my windows from 50s windows to the current double-paned ones and put in a french door (double-paned) on the patio to the pool. After that I heard NO busses, and NO road traffic. This is not insurmountable. This is the product of Urban sprawl. If you want to live close to conveniences, you have to take the bad with the good. Look into updating your sound proofing and you'll do just fine. If your builder did NOT put in good windows, there's another issue you'll need to pursue. If you change your windows and your neighbors don't, guess who can sell their house faster??

    Make some lemonade with those lemons!!
  • The blog or the distribution center ;) I know how you feel though!
  • Cathy Croy
    This is just TERRIBLE!
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