August 26, 2008

Condo in O.C. or House in RivCo: What Would You Do?

This weekend, Jon Lansner of the O.C. Register’s Lansner on Real Estate blog wrote a column in which he posed the question:  Would a homebuyer be better off opting for an O.C. condo or a Riverside County house?

Thanks to a sharp reversal of pricing in Riverside County – far worse than Orange County’s slide – the percentage-point savings for a typical buyer who chooses Riverside has reached a nine-year high, according to DataQuick.

In June, DataQuick said the median selling price of a Riverside detached house was at $275,000 – that was 28 percent cheaper (or $81,000) than an Orange County condo at $366,000. Last month, the Riverside discount remained high at 22.7 percent, or $76,500. 

Lansner’s point is that living in Riverside makes more economic sense than at any time in the last decade or so.  But should finances be your only consideration?

Let’s be honest here. Riverside County’s true lure – other than skin-frying windstorms, of course – is cheap housing.

I feel I’m qualified to weigh in here, because I lived in Riverside for 15 years.  And in that time, I cannot recall a single “skin-frying windstorm.” Oppressive heat, yes; throat-searing smog, sure.  But no windstorms.mission inn Condo in O.C. or House in RivCo: What Would You Do?

I also don’t agree that Riverside County’s only redeeming point is cheap housing. Riverside, for example, has a nice historic downtown and hotel (The Mission Inn, right), a college (UC Riverside), and some nice restaurants and decent public schools. 

That being said, I probably would not have chosen Riverside as a place to live unless I worked there, which I did.  To me, the decision about whether to buy in RivCo or the O.C. comes down to where you work.

There is NO WAY I would buy a RivCo house if I worked in Orange County.  Not even in Corona.  The only exception would be if I worked the graveyard shift and never had to deal with the 91. No house is worth the headache, the hassle, and the wasted time of sitting for hours on a freeway every day.

Life is short. If you work in Orange County, live in Orange County. Enjoy the fresh air and the amenities, even if you have to live in a smaller place. You won’t miss cleaning all those extra bathrooms.

But judging from the gridlock on the 91, there are plenty out there who disagree.

Recent Redfin posts:
The Costa Mesa Housing Report: Condo Housing Stats, August 2008
“Truths and Roses Have Thorns About Them”
Tustin Real Estate Market Report:  Median Price is Up!
An Interview with a Stager


  • Hi, Dawn: I feel for your husband. So will you stay in Riverside or try to move closer? Can he take the Metrolink to downtown?
  • Cindy:

    My husband and I moved out to Riverside from OC about 5 years ago when our OC realtor laughed when we said we only wanted to spend $200K on a home. At that time, Corona was out of our price range and we found a decent pocket of neighborhood in Riverside. It felt like moving to the end of the earth. The hot, smoggy end.

    At that time, I'd decided to stay home with my young kids and my husband commuted into the Santa Ana courthouse. We even selected our home based on proximity to Metrolink stations. RivCo to Santa Ana seemed doable.

    Little did we know, a few months later, he'd find himself in a new job with better pay, but, yikes, in Downtown LA. He's a Federal Special Agent, so he doesn't have to go in every day, but yesterday it took him 2-1/2 hours each way.

    You are right. No job or house is worth having half your day sucked out of you.

    (I'm back in the workforce now and scored a telecommute job for a Corona company, so I am happy!)
  • Ron
    Totally agree. I have lived in riverside most of my life. For a few years I commuted in to OC (and Westwood during college) and I wanted to kill myself. I work in downtown riverside now, and my commute from the Corona area is bad enough, I can't imagine going the other way.

    Even though there are some nice areas with good schools in the Canyon Crest area being that far into Riverside makes me feel trapped. For my situation, I like where I live now, I can get to Victoria Gardens or Ontario mills in 15 minutes, downtown Riverside in 15 minutes and occasional trips into OC or LA aren't so bad (but commuting would be a nightmare.)

    At this point, with house prices the way they are in OC and Riverside and the fact that I have found a good paying job in Riverside (rare) I am happy where I am at. But if it made financial sense, I would prefer to live back in San Clemente where I stayed after college or Irvine where I will be starting grad school at UCI.

    At any rate buying in either location is not advised. There are a few places in Riverside county (Moreno Valley, San Jacinto) where prices are quite low (~$200k for a newer 5bd house) but you probably don't want to live there. In OC, I don't think we have seen the beginning of the declines, the "must-sell" homes there were financed more with Alt-A Option ARMs than with subprime loans, and we are about to see the Alt-A crisis, now that we have passed the peak of the subprime crisis.
  • I remember years ago when a newly-married couple decided to buy in Riverside (while working in OC) and had worked out how the "cheap" toll road fee would actually save them in time on the road and fuel costs. I believe the toll they used for their calculation was $1.50 and $1.75 during peak hours. I wonder how the math is working out in 2008 with the toll over $8 peak and heavy traffic impeding their commute.

    Cindy is right on with her comment, "If you work in Orange County, live in Orange County," unless you can commute in off peak hours.
  • Dominic
    I'm with you on this, Cindy. The only reason I'd live in Riverside County is if I worked there. I do not share the desire that some have to own as big of a home and yard as possible. I am happier with a smaller place, a smaller commute and many nearby activities compared to Riverside. Every now and then the amazing prices in Riverside sound tempting, but mostly I just wish those were the prices here in OC. It still doesn't make me want to move there.
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