February 4, 2008

SF and Daly City: When “Risky” Loans Turn Out to be the Safest

buildingsandhouses2 SF and Daly City: When Risky Loans Turn Out to be the SafestOne of the strategies SF brokers and bankers devised to make TICs more palletable was the fractional loan. Such a loan has the allure of allowing you to enter into a TIC relationship with partners without having to assume the risk of the entire loan amount. Without a fractional loan, if one of your partners defaulted on his/her share of the mortgage, you would have to pay that share or you would lose your home, because though you may have agreed to split the mortgage, if your partner can’t pay, the bank goes after whomever is left.

Fractional loans let you be responsible only for your portion of the loan. This way, whatever may happen with your partner is not your problem. The bank can repossess the defaulted-upon unit, but not the whole building. Also with fractional loans, you have no need to condo convert. Since the units are individually owned, owners can rent or sell their homes at will, just as they can with condos. This scenario then saves you the hassle and expense of condo conversion.

Fractional loans, however, have their disadvantages. For one, many banks won’t offer them. They’re considered, to draw from two recent sfgate.com articles, dangerous, untried, and unpopular with consumers. Sfreblog sums up the negatives as follows:

There are a couple of negatives in the fractional loan scenario. First of all, and most important: they are not as affordable as traditional TIC financing tools. Fractional loans are more risky for banks, since the bank now only has pieces of notes on a building, rather than a note for an entire building. This means that the bank cannot foreclose on the entire building if one individual owner is defaulting on his or her loan. So banks require a) higher down payments (usually not less than 20%), b) higher credit scores from borrowers, c) and more points on the loans to eliminate risk. Additionally, the bank financing the loans may have restrictions on assumability on this type of loan, or higher pre-payment penalties than traditional financing tools.

Ironically, these restrictive measures have made fractional loans some of the safest in the market. While interest-only mortgages go into meltdown, fractional loans have had no problems at all:

We’ve not had any problem – and to my knowledge no lender has had a problem with defaults,” said Pat McCarty, senior vice president for Circle Bank in Novato. Sherry Hendrickson, of Bank of Marin, agrees that the TIC program has made her and her colleagues happy campers.

“Not only have we not seen any defaults,” she said, “We haven’t seen a single late payment or late fee.”

Maybe because fractional loans, unlike their interest only counterparts, require proof of income, full disclosure of assets, higher credit, and at least 10% down. In other words, the loans could only be extended to people who were in fact qualified, as opposed to convinced they were qualified by optimistic (or unethical, depending on how you look at it) realtors and brokers.

What’s this mean to you? Well, it makes TIC ownership that much more inviting: but you can’t do it if you can’t really afford it. There’s no wiggle room with fractional loans. Here are some reasonable TIC’s on the market now, if you’re in the market. (Note: They are all in SF as Daly City is not big on TIC’s.)

162 A 23rd Ave: 1/1 TIC for $450,000

433 Carl St., #A: 1/1 TIC for $479,000

1155 Leavenworth St., #14: studio TIC for $259,000

1754 Larkin St., #6: 1/1 TIC for $439,000


  • Tyler

    Will, you can get a lot more for your money with a TIC in a 2 unit building that does not need to be converted to condo via lottery or if you can convert because TIC properties are less expensive so you can get more per sq foot

  • Will

    Two questions: 1) if anyone could afford 20%, would they buy a TIC in the first place? Why not a condo?
    2) since so many SF properties are TIC's, why does Redfin not deal with them. I checked the forum: they don't

  • anna

    Thanks, David- good point especially about 5 unit buildings which are ineligible for conversion. So yes, Mark, they generally are .5 to 1 or even 1.5 higher than 30 year fixed. Right now that would not be too high, really. The 20% down might be a problem for some (or a lot of) people...

    I don't know, TC, if Redfin realtors handle TICs, but I don't think so. You can get an answer in the forum area by posting your question here:
    http://forums.redfin.com/rf/bo...

  • Yes, Mark. The fractionalized loan does carry a higher interest rate than a conventional group TIC loan. If I remember correctly last year when we were talking a refi on our 3 unit TIC, it was about a half point higher, and with a 20% down minimum. Makes a lot more sense on 5+ unit buildings where conversion isn't an option in the first place.

  • TC

    Does Redfin handle TIC's?

  • Mark White

    Isn't the interest rate on these loans higher though?

  • anna

    I absolutely agree. I don't think the argument that interest only loans let in people who otherwise could never get in the market is a good one. If they can't afford the market, they can't afford it. They need to move elsewhere if they are intent on buying. This is actually something I have been figuring out for myself, lately... I need to think about moving if I am ever to own.

  • r.q.

    This kind of authentication should have alwyas been required- for interest only as well. Then we would not be in such trouble now!

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