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	<title>Comments on: Homes That Do a Disappearing Act &#8212; Then Come Back for More</title>
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		<title>By: Quitultyribly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quitultyribly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suit, don&#039;t dislike me. I by the skin of one&#039;s teeth after to get some money... plea me by the skin of one&#039;s teeth one more time.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://nesusvetnaya3248chush.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Click here please&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suit, don&#8217;t dislike me. I by the skin of one&#8217;s teeth after to get some money&#8230; plea me by the skin of one&#8217;s teeth one more time.<br />
<a href="http://nesusvetnaya3248chush.com/" rel="nofollow">Click here please</a></p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - Thanks for the adding a listing history, that will make this much easier. 

As for the earlier comments on rentals, the two most egregiously overpriced rentals have partly come to their senses. 

910 Contra Costa now asking $4400 a month down from $5500 two weeks ago. 

1050 Oxford went from $5000 a month to $4300.  

People with high carrying costs (recent buyers) seem to think they are going to be able to pass those on to renters, that is not going to happen. I am seeing it not happen every day. Even those I mention above will eventually rent for less than that.  

There is a reality in behavioral studies that shows people don&#039;t like to sell below what they think the market bears, even if it is the smartest thing for them to do at the time. Some people just take longer figuring out what the market will bear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; Thanks for the adding a listing history, that will make this much easier. </p>
<p>As for the earlier comments on rentals, the two most egregiously overpriced rentals have partly come to their senses. </p>
<p>910 Contra Costa now asking $4400 a month down from $5500 two weeks ago. </p>
<p>1050 Oxford went from $5000 a month to $4300.  </p>
<p>People with high carrying costs (recent buyers) seem to think they are going to be able to pass those on to renters, that is not going to happen. I am seeing it not happen every day. Even those I mention above will eventually rent for less than that.  </p>
<p>There is a reality in behavioral studies that shows people don&#8217;t like to sell below what they think the market bears, even if it is the smartest thing for them to do at the time. Some people just take longer figuring out what the market will bear.</p>
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		<title>By: NCG</title>
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		<dc:creator>NCG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a point of info, I live in a multi-unit apt building in n. berkeley.  The rents for a 2bd/1ba unit in our &quot;typical&quot; building (older ugly box) have gone up 35% in the last six months: Someone who rented in this month paid apx 35% more than someone who rented an *identical* unit 6 months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a point of info, I live in a multi-unit apt building in n. berkeley.  The rents for a 2bd/1ba unit in our &#8220;typical&#8221; building (older ugly box) have gone up 35% in the last six months: Someone who rented in this month paid apx 35% more than someone who rented an *identical* unit 6 months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt from Redfin here. You&#039;re all having a lively discussion!

With regards to Redfin feature plans, we&#039;ll be adding a feature that show&#039;s a home&#039;s listing history since it&#039;s past sale in our next release. Look for it around October. 

Matt

Lead Product Manager - Search</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt from Redfin here. You&#8217;re all having a lively discussion!</p>
<p>With regards to Redfin feature plans, we&#8217;ll be adding a feature that show&#8217;s a home&#8217;s listing history since it&#8217;s past sale in our next release. Look for it around October. </p>
<p>Matt</p>
<p>Lead Product Manager &#8211; Search</p>
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		<title>By: susan.brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan.brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At present, Redfin uses an MLS data feed as its primary source for listings. It is rare that there is any mention of a previous listing in that data, hence the lack of that info on the Redfin listings page. Most realtors are knowledgeable about what has been on the market in a specific area, and should be able to advise you about repeaters. But I will also mention the interest of our readers to add this feature. Unfortunately the new update is releasing tomorrow, so it may be some time before it can be added (if it is even possible).

And, actually, the MLS does track the sales price of a home after it has closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At present, Redfin uses an MLS data feed as its primary source for listings. It is rare that there is any mention of a previous listing in that data, hence the lack of that info on the Redfin listings page. Most realtors are knowledgeable about what has been on the market in a specific area, and should be able to advise you about repeaters. But I will also mention the interest of our readers to add this feature. Unfortunately the new update is releasing tomorrow, so it may be some time before it can be added (if it is even possible).</p>
<p>And, actually, the MLS does track the sales price of a home after it has closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On this topic... I still think Redfin would want to track this more clearly.

to the point from Frolic: &quot;I don’t think it’s Redfin’s job to track this kind of thing.&quot;  Redfin&#039;s &#039;job&#039; like all realtors is to handle transactions.  They&#039;ve chosen to do that by driving internet traffic.  Having accurate information about true price changes (as opposed to just what MLS shows) would be attractive (as shown by this discussion), so it seems like it&#039;s in Redfin&#039;s interest to track this.

To Billy&#039;s point: &quot;Redfin just aggregates data from the MLS&quot;  I think Redfin does more than that.  If you look at a sold property (one no longer on MLS) it shows sales history, which I don&#039;t think is on MLS, so Redfin is doing more.  And technically it seems very possible for Redfin to track and show the multiple MLS listings for a given property.

That said - maybe MLS would prevent Redfin from doing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this topic&#8230; I still think Redfin would want to track this more clearly.</p>
<p>to the point from Frolic: &#8220;I don’t think it’s Redfin’s job to track this kind of thing.&#8221;  Redfin&#8217;s &#8216;job&#8217; like all realtors is to handle transactions.  They&#8217;ve chosen to do that by driving internet traffic.  Having accurate information about true price changes (as opposed to just what MLS shows) would be attractive (as shown by this discussion), so it seems like it&#8217;s in Redfin&#8217;s interest to track this.</p>
<p>To Billy&#8217;s point: &#8220;Redfin just aggregates data from the MLS&#8221;  I think Redfin does more than that.  If you look at a sold property (one no longer on MLS) it shows sales history, which I don&#8217;t think is on MLS, so Redfin is doing more.  And technically it seems very possible for Redfin to track and show the multiple MLS listings for a given property.</p>
<p>That said &#8211; maybe MLS would prevent Redfin from doing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been looking at rental in Berkeley for almost a year now, and 5k per month is overpriced (unless it is a really special place). You may be able to get that in the city or down on the Penninsula where executive relocations are more prevalent, but that&#039;s a tough sell in Berkeley, and even tougher for the particular homes I mention, they are nothing special. 

I think Berkeley has an active rental market because there are more renter types that want to be there (visiting professors and grad students), so I would say that there has always been a pretty healthy rental market with good price support. But when you start to ask 5k or up for a SFH, you better have a family that makes about 200k per year or have multiple renters each paying a portion of the rent. In any case, we will see how long they keep sitting there. 

It doesn&#039;t help for 1050 Oxford that there is another nice rental just across the street asking 4k, down from $4200, and yet to rent after 3 weeks up. 

As for re-listing places, it is the MLS that should be doing something about it, Redfin just aggregates data from the MLS. The MLS has rules against pulling and then re-listing to show 0 DOM, but nobody does anything about it, its commonplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been looking at rental in Berkeley for almost a year now, and 5k per month is overpriced (unless it is a really special place). You may be able to get that in the city or down on the Penninsula where executive relocations are more prevalent, but that&#8217;s a tough sell in Berkeley, and even tougher for the particular homes I mention, they are nothing special. </p>
<p>I think Berkeley has an active rental market because there are more renter types that want to be there (visiting professors and grad students), so I would say that there has always been a pretty healthy rental market with good price support. But when you start to ask 5k or up for a SFH, you better have a family that makes about 200k per year or have multiple renters each paying a portion of the rent. In any case, we will see how long they keep sitting there. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t help for 1050 Oxford that there is another nice rental just across the street asking 4k, down from $4200, and yet to rent after 3 weeks up. </p>
<p>As for re-listing places, it is the MLS that should be doing something about it, Redfin just aggregates data from the MLS. The MLS has rules against pulling and then re-listing to show 0 DOM, but nobody does anything about it, its commonplace.</p>
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		<title>By: laurel</title>
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		<dc:creator>laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about 77 Oakmont in Piedmont? Previously listed in this blog:
http://sfbay.redfin.com/blog/2008/03/is_piedmont_the_city_an_island_musings_and_price_reductions_.html

Just re-listed yesterday..Is it a short sale or an REO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about 77 Oakmont in Piedmont? Previously listed in this blog:<br />
<a href="http://sfbay.redfin.com/blog/2008/03/is_piedmont_the_city_an_island_musings_and_price_reductions_.html" rel="nofollow">http://sfbay.redfin.com/blog/2008/03/is_piedmont_the_city_an_island_musings_and_price_reductions_.html</a></p>
<p>Just re-listed yesterday..Is it a short sale or an REO?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen several Alameda homes also migrate to Craigslist for rentals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen several Alameda homes also migrate to Craigslist for rentals.</p>
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		<title>By: frolic</title>
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		<dc:creator>frolic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s Redfin&#039;s job to track this kind of thing. It would be far easier and more appropriate for the MLS to do so. My understanding is that there are clear guidelines prohibiting this kind of thing, but that there&#039;s no enforcement at all. 

Industries generally need to police themselves. In this case, a handful of bad-acting real estate agents give the entire field a reputation as liars and swindlers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s Redfin&#8217;s job to track this kind of thing. It would be far easier and more appropriate for the MLS to do so. My understanding is that there are clear guidelines prohibiting this kind of thing, but that there&#8217;s no enforcement at all. </p>
<p>Industries generally need to police themselves. In this case, a handful of bad-acting real estate agents give the entire field a reputation as liars and swindlers.</p>
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