Comments on: Oakland: Eat Your Way Through Temescal and Visit Homes While You’re At It http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html Redfin Bay Area Sweet Digs Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:59:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: PukSono http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-10471 PukSono Mon, 03 May 2010 13:30:07 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-10471 NiksHIMA say: In it something is. I thank for the help in this question, now I will know. _____________ {<a href="http://cealis.rx-tadacip.info/site_map.html" rel="nofollow">cealis options 0</a> NiksHIMA say: In it something is. I thank for the help in this question, now I will know.

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]]> By: zunzie http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-8897 zunzie Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:27:11 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-8897 " Don’t even think about crossing 40th or Telegraph unless you are prepared for crack houses and gun shots all night." This is total bunk. I live on 37th Street...SOUTH of MacArthur! And I have great neighbors, not crack houses. I've never heard a gun shot. There's a park right down the street and I can walk to BART. Now, would I walk there at night? No. But it's perfectly safe during the day...as safe as any other urban area. ” Don’t even think about crossing 40th or Telegraph unless you are prepared for crack houses and gun shots all night.”

This is total bunk. I live on 37th Street…SOUTH of MacArthur! And I have great neighbors, not crack houses. I’ve never heard a gun shot. There’s a park right down the street and I can walk to BART. Now, would I walk there at night? No. But it’s perfectly safe during the day…as safe as any other urban area.

]]> By: Scraped to Perfection in Temescal – Home Girl http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-8835 Scraped to Perfection in Temescal – Home Girl Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:19:31 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-8835 [...] I blogged about Temescal in August last year, many readers questioned just how safe this neighborhood is. They will probably [...] [...] I blogged about Temescal in August last year, many readers questioned just how safe this neighborhood is. They will probably [...]

]]> By: anon http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-6350 anon Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:53:08 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-6350 Adam--Yup, you've got it just about right. The few blocks that are squished in between the freeway and Telegraph have a lot of issues with freeway noise and grime, making them pretty undesirable, and west of the freeway, the North Oakland neighborhoods are struggling with a number of issues (not least of which are gang turf wars). For what it's worth, though, the Temescal gentrification is pretty recent too--many of the businesses along that stretch of Telegraph have opened in the last 5-10 years. It's a pretty classic abandonment-reinvestment scene, with both the good (stronger business district, beautification, better QOL) and the bad (displacement of families who can't afford to stay, invasion of yuppy/hipster culture) that come along with that. On balance the change is good for Oakland, I think, but there are definitely some tensions and tradeoffs. Adam–Yup, you’ve got it just about right. The few blocks that are squished in between the freeway and Telegraph have a lot of issues with freeway noise and grime, making them pretty undesirable, and west of the freeway, the North Oakland neighborhoods are struggling with a number of issues (not least of which are gang turf wars). For what it’s worth, though, the Temescal gentrification is pretty recent too–many of the businesses along that stretch of Telegraph have opened in the last 5-10 years. It’s a pretty classic abandonment-reinvestment scene, with both the good (stronger business district, beautification, better QOL) and the bad (displacement of families who can’t afford to stay, invasion of yuppy/hipster culture) that come along with that. On balance the change is good for Oakland, I think, but there are definitely some tensions and tradeoffs.

]]> By: Adam http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-6339 Adam Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:39:28 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-6339 Farrah, Thanks for posting those pictures of the 47th street property. I went by there recently just to get a gander at the block and wasn't surprised when I saw the photos you put up on Flickr. That block seems to be suffering a bit still, even though it's only a stone's throw away from all the great restaurants on Telegraph. Am I correct in assuming that Telegraph is a bit of a dividing line for that area? Seems that everything East of Telegraph is all glitz and glam and West of there is still a bit in need of help. But, I may be mistaken, perhaps I don't know the area well enough? Farrah,
Thanks for posting those pictures of the 47th street property. I went by there recently just to get a gander at the block and wasn’t surprised when I saw the photos you put up on Flickr. That block seems to be suffering a bit still, even though it’s only a stone’s throw away from all the great restaurants on Telegraph.
Am I correct in assuming that Telegraph is a bit of a dividing line for that area? Seems that everything East of Telegraph is all glitz and glam and West of there is still a bit in need of help. But, I may be mistaken, perhaps I don’t know the area well enough?

]]> By: David http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-6048 David Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:06:01 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-6048 Alison if you knew me in person, you'd know the deadpan delivery in writing is what you get in my voice. cheers! I like the Temescal, but still think it's fundamentally overpriced at the moment. Alison if you knew me in person, you’d know the deadpan delivery in writing is what you get in my voice.

cheers!

I like the Temescal, but still think it’s fundamentally overpriced at the moment.

]]> By: Farrah http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-6036 Farrah Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:16:26 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-6036 I can tell you the deets on 47th Street. It's a large space in a somewhat desirable neighborhood but it has some big challenges. Termite problems abound but those are the least of that home's issues. The copper pipes have been stolen from beneath the home. There's a large crack in the foundation. There's an inlaw unit that smells very moldy. The shower in the upstairs bath leaks through the ceiling into the first level. It's been "renovated" (I use that term loosely) improperly several times and the main house is not quite a single family home but it's not quite a duplex. In short, it needs A LOT of work so it's probably better for an investor with the funds to do the work. This is especially true because it'll be hard for most buyers to get financing for that home. To the Temescal-haters, I lived there for two years and loved it. I had a very short walk to the Bart every day. The restaurants were amazing and they're even better now. My main issues were that there wasn't a grocery store in walking distance and the car break ins. Otherwise, it's a great place with many young professionals and young couples/families. I can tell you the deets on 47th Street. It’s a large space in a somewhat desirable neighborhood but it has some big challenges. Termite problems abound but those are the least of that home’s issues. The copper pipes have been stolen from beneath the home. There’s a large crack in the foundation. There’s an inlaw unit that smells very moldy. The shower in the upstairs bath leaks through the ceiling into the first level. It’s been “renovated” (I use that term loosely) improperly several times and the main house is not quite a single family home but it’s not quite a duplex.

In short, it needs A LOT of work so it’s probably better for an investor with the funds to do the work. This is especially true because it’ll be hard for most buyers to get financing for that home.

To the Temescal-haters, I lived there for two years and loved it. I had a very short walk to the Bart every day. The restaurants were amazing and they’re even better now. My main issues were that there wasn’t a grocery store in walking distance and the car break ins. Otherwise, it’s a great place with many young professionals and young couples/families.

]]> By: anon http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-5996 anon Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:46:25 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-5996 Hi Alison-- We actually own in a nearby neighborhood now (after giving up on Temescal, where many houses still seem to be getting multiple offers even in this down market!) While we aren't districted to Emerson, we have similar concerns about the schools near us, which are in the same boat. When I say Emerson "ought" to be better, what I really mean is that its catchment area is already socioeconomically (and racially/ethnically) diverse, but this isn't reflected in the school population, which tells me neighborhood families are opting out. (I know this to be true anecdotally, too.) As a former teacher at the elementary level, I can tell you: that's a recipe for disaster. The kids who remain at the school are those whose parents don't have the financial or political means to get them out, and they're often the kids who bring along baggage from difficult home lives, lack of preschool, etc. They're often challenging kids to teach, and if your classroom has 19 of 25 kids in these shoes versus 4 of 25 kids--that's a big difference, and has a strong impact on teacher retention. With a neighborhood-based school model, you have some communities where most families are struggling to get by, and it's to be expected that this will be reflected in your school populations there. But Temescal (and Piedmont Ave, Lakeshore, etc.) aren't these communities by a long shot, so I'm disturbed by the absence of middle- and upper-income kids in these schools, particularly given that test scores track much more closely to socioeconomics than to anything else, so you end up in a vicious cycle where middle-income families opting out leads to poor test scores which leads to middle-income families opting out. The solution is neighborhood commitment to and investment in the local schools. It isn't an easy endeavor, especially for the first families who jump in, but there are success stories even within OUSD (Glenview, Lincoln, Peralta, Sequoia, Cleveland, etc.) Parental involvement is also key, and that's fractured when neighbors are sending their children to different schools all over the city. (Compare Emerson's PTA to, say, Chabot's.) A key difference between the urban school crisis today and the late 60s/70s downward spiral in many urban districts is that then, the middle- and upper-income families had left the city entirely. Today, they're here--they're just not at school. I hope that Temescal families (and others across the city) will be proactive about changing this: organize playdates for neighborhood preschoolers; meet other parents; visit the teachers long before your child is ready for kindergarten. Volunteer, even if you don't have children there yet. Build a support network for the school. Emerson in particular is perfectly situated in the heart of Temesal proper--walkable for many of the kids who are districted there. Make that a neighborhood asset! (Bonus for homeowners: helping to improve your school also boosts your property value!) Hi Alison–
We actually own in a nearby neighborhood now (after giving up on Temescal, where many houses still seem to be getting multiple offers even in this down market!) While we aren’t districted to Emerson, we have similar concerns about the schools near us, which are in the same boat. When I say Emerson “ought” to be better, what I really mean is that its catchment area is already socioeconomically (and racially/ethnically) diverse, but this isn’t reflected in the school population, which tells me neighborhood families are opting out. (I know this to be true anecdotally, too.) As a former teacher at the elementary level, I can tell you: that’s a recipe for disaster. The kids who remain at the school are those whose parents don’t have the financial or political means to get them out, and they’re often the kids who bring along baggage from difficult home lives, lack of preschool, etc. They’re often challenging kids to teach, and if your classroom has 19 of 25 kids in these shoes versus 4 of 25 kids–that’s a big difference, and has a strong impact on teacher retention. With a neighborhood-based school model, you have some communities where most families are struggling to get by, and it’s to be expected that this will be reflected in your school populations there. But Temescal (and Piedmont Ave, Lakeshore, etc.) aren’t these communities by a long shot, so I’m disturbed by the absence of middle- and upper-income kids in these schools, particularly given that test scores track much more closely to socioeconomics than to anything else, so you end up in a vicious cycle where middle-income families opting out leads to poor test scores which leads to middle-income families opting out. The solution is neighborhood commitment to and investment in the local schools. It isn’t an easy endeavor, especially for the first families who jump in, but there are success stories even within OUSD (Glenview, Lincoln, Peralta, Sequoia, Cleveland, etc.) Parental involvement is also key, and that’s fractured when neighbors are sending their children to different schools all over the city. (Compare Emerson’s PTA to, say, Chabot’s.) A key difference between the urban school crisis today and the late 60s/70s downward spiral in many urban districts is that then, the middle- and upper-income families had left the city entirely. Today, they’re here–they’re just not at school. I hope that Temescal families (and others across the city) will be proactive about changing this: organize playdates for neighborhood preschoolers; meet other parents; visit the teachers long before your child is ready for kindergarten. Volunteer, even if you don’t have children there yet. Build a support network for the school. Emerson in particular is perfectly situated in the heart of Temesal proper–walkable for many of the kids who are districted there. Make that a neighborhood asset! (Bonus for homeowners: helping to improve your school also boosts your property value!)

]]> By: Alison http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-5965 Alison Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:05:16 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-5965 Thanks for the comments everyone. Asher: "as someone who just sold in the Temescal": what did you sell (condo/house)? and what area have you moved to? What made you move to Temescal to start? Do you agree with Anon who states that crime has gone up due to it becoming more gentrified? I used to live on Alcatraz and Shattuck in 1997 and stayed at a partner's place on 38th and Telegraph a lot as well back then and never had any problems with crime then..so I'm curious whether statistically it actually has increased...gun shots all night sounds like a bit much, something I'd expect more in deep east oakland. Hi Anon: I'm interested in your statement that Oakland schools could change dramatically if parents from the higher income backgrounds were to send their kids to public/neighborhood schools.. I work in San Francisco public schools and see a similar pattern there (e.g. higher income families send their kids to private schools especially once the kids get to middle school and definitely once they reach high school). So do you own or rent in Temescal? And if renting, are you looking to buy now? Hi Rick: could you say more about promoting an "urban festival"? Have you been to Oakland Art Murmur? BJ: thanks for googling! You turned up great photos! I didn't see these on my google search... Hi David: thanks for the comment. I imagined it with a deadpan intonation after the first couple passionate comments and it made me laugh. Thanks! Thanks for the comments everyone.
Asher: “as someone who just sold in the Temescal”: what did you sell (condo/house)? and what area have you moved to? What made you move to Temescal to start? Do you agree with Anon who states that crime has gone up due to it becoming more gentrified? I used to live on Alcatraz and Shattuck in 1997 and stayed at a partner’s place on 38th and Telegraph a lot as well back then and never had any problems with crime then..so I’m curious whether statistically it actually has increased…gun shots all night sounds like a bit much, something I’d expect more in deep east oakland.
Hi Anon: I’m interested in your statement that Oakland schools could change dramatically if parents from the higher income backgrounds were to send their kids to public/neighborhood schools.. I work in San Francisco public schools and see a similar pattern there (e.g. higher income families send their kids to private schools especially once the kids get to middle school and definitely once they reach high school). So do you own or rent in Temescal? And if renting, are you looking to buy now?
Hi Rick: could you say more about promoting an “urban festival”? Have you been to Oakland Art Murmur?
BJ: thanks for googling! You turned up great photos! I didn’t see these on my google search…
Hi David: thanks for the comment. I imagined it with a deadpan intonation after the first couple passionate comments and it made me laugh. Thanks!

]]> By: David http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-5925 David Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:35:25 +0000 http://blog.redfin.com/sfbay/2008/08/oakland_eat_your_way_through_temescal_and_visit_homes_while_youre_at_it.html#comment-5925 looks like some termite damage on 47th st. looks like some termite damage on 47th st.

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