September 29, 2008

Searching for the Elusive Bottom: Kinda Sorta Good News

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Considering how badly things are going on the economic front, the latest forecasts for Contra Costa County and the East Bay seem downright cheerful: a “shallow but long downturn” lasting into 2009, according to the Stockton-based Business Forecasting Center at University of the Pacific.

Given the meltdown some two weeks ago, hey, a “shallow” downturn sounds just peachy to me. The reason for the long tail? The housing-related ailments that plague the economy here are spreading to other sectors, Jeffrey Michael, director of the center, told the Contra Costa Times.

I’ve been thinking there’s gonna be another Great Depression and it’s not like I’m alone. Frequent commenters and very smart guys david and Adam Schwartz didn’t seem to quarrel with my conclusion in an earlier post. (Am I right, guys? Hope I didn’t mischaracterize.)

Compared to my fears, these predictions seem downright upbeat. Could we be approaching the bottom? Considering the jaw-droppingly low prices of homes in many parts of Contra Costa, it seems likely. I just found a house for sale in Richmond for $178,000 and a house for rent in that same area for $1450. At 5 percent interest on the mortgage, couldn’t you buy this and rent it for a positive cash flow?

Bargains in Richmond:

2501 Gaynor Avenue, Richmond: 3 bedrooms/1 bath, 1,138 sq ft, $179,000. Hardwood floor, fireplace, listing says the place gets a lot of light. The outside looks lovely, but there’s only one dark photo of the bathroom (the bathroom? Eh?), so considering the low price, this might require a healthy dose of caveat emptor.

2121 Gaynor Avenue, Richmond: 3 bedroms/1.5 baths, 1,431 sq ft, $299,000. While the shockingly low-priced house above could turn out to be low-priced for unfortunate reasons, this place looks really good in the photos. It’s a white split-level home with, the listing tells us, a balcony off one bedroom. Couple of things to keep in mind: It’s about a half-block on the wrong side of 23rd Avenue, which is a sort of dividing line between relatively safe streets and unsafe ones; and the listing agent is related to the seller.

2546 Clinton Avenue, Richmond: 4 bedrooms/2 baths, square footage not available, $299,000. This is a two-story pale blue house that looks charming from the outside. The interior photos, which could be used as examples in a “How Not To Stage a House” lesson, at least seem to indicate that it’s not falling apart inside, or at least not visibly. The kitchen *seems* to have one o’ those vertical door stainless steel fridges I personally lovelovelove, though hard to be sure thanks to the pieces of paper taped to it; kitchen also has what appear to be natural wood cabinets and the canonical granite countertops under the clutter.

533 28th Street, Richmond: 2 bedrooms/1 bath, 999 sq ft, $280,000. This is quite the Mystery House. It’s in the best location of all four of these properties, and looks lovely in the exterior photos. The listing tells us there’s a “great studio in back of home, non-conforming yet-perfect for guests or inlaw.” Wow! However, the mystery: No interior shots and “other disclosures” (call-see agent). Uh oh. Intriguing: is there a meth lab inside? Squatter with pitbulls? (Photo of the bottom by macsurak on flickr.)


  • Really! I had no idea that's a 1980 limit. Eighteen years old, it certainly does sound out of date.

  • David

    Considering how old the FDIC limit is (raised to $100,000 in 1980), I think it just covers inflation over the timeframe, so I'm ok with it.

  • Aw, thanks, dg! So nice to see from you! So, what do you think of Obama's idea to up the FDIC limit, guys?

  • dg

    Janis, always love your photos and posts!

  • After the last notorious bottom shot, I felt it was time for gender equity.

  • David

    PS. thanks for a more palatable bottom shot.

  • David

    Should probably be more indignant that the bailout as proposed actually didn't directly address liquidity. It might be better to just have the gov't take shares of the banks or otherwise provide backstops for, especially, short-term commercial paper, etc. The latter, much more than just bailing out mortgages is really vital for almost all businesses.

  • Hey there, sc! Nice to see from you. It's been a while since you're posted, glad you chimed in!

    Hahahaha I used to jokingly boast that Richmond, where I have owned my home for more than eight years, was in the Top Ten most dangerous cities in the U.S., but alas, we have fallen in the ratings. I think it's overstating things a bit to characterize all of Oakland as dangerous; it's a huge city with many lovely areas, the hills, for example.

    I'm also very glad to hear from you, David. Your posts are always reasoned and informative. I have to say it's looking more and more Depressing (so to speak) every day. Agree with you that 25 percent employment is to be avoided!

    But I'm glad the bailout fell apart as it was written; if everyone was so indignant about bailing out the defaulting homeowners, we should be doubly so about those Wall Street executives!

  • David

    I don't necessarily think it'll be a Great Depression (I hope not), but it's looking more likely by the day.

    I'm still hoping for a 90-93 style recession (not great, but not too ugly), especially outside housing-related industries, but if real businesses, like Caterpillar and McDonalds are paying 6% for overnight loans, we're in deeper doodoo, and I might have to dial down my hopes to merely an 80-82-style recession (10-12% unemployment etc).

    Remember, the Great Depression was 25%+ unemployment, etc. Let's try to avoid that, please.

  • sc

    Isnt Richmond in the top 10 most dangerous cities in the country? I would hope dangerous ghettos like Richmond and Oakland would be in these price ranges or lower, as most people would probably not live in these communities by choice.

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