Comments on: Does Berkeley Have a Main Street? And if Not, Why Not?

By: spelling practice

spelling practice — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:59:28 +0000

I would have thought University. It doesn't run North to South. It runs East to West. Shattuck, like the other streets mentioned, runs North to South. For students, the street is Telegraph. Funky and run down. But very important if you are on foot. Shattuck for local Berkeley shopping. Right now, I guess it is the most shopped street in the area. But University has been more important. And it runs a close third for University of California students. San Pablo is important for many other Berkeley folk. Fourth Street is boutique shopping, not vital to people but fun. College is a mixed bag, the best shopping starts as it approaches Oakland.

By: Tracey Taylor

Tracey Taylor — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:53:52 +0000

Tanyacatherine: Thank you for the historical perspective. I think you have touched on something important which is Berkeley’s association with the counterculture movement and the fact that it is the first thing that people think about when you mention the city’s name. In many ways Berkeley is proud of its heritage but in other ways it plays against it.

By: tanyacatherine

tanyacatherine — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:06:55 +0000

Everyone of a certain age knows Berkeley. Peace, love, and student demonstrations defined the town as a hippie mecca in the late 1960s. Before that, however, Berkeley was just a bustling university town with a vibrant business district that served the college and the wider community with hotels, shops, entertainment halls, and a railroad station.
In recent years, though, the city took a downward turn as the twin nationwide epidemics of suburban flight and shopping mall competition took their tolls on the downtown. Sales tax revenues were down, building vacancies were up, and aggressive panhandlers were all over the place. Downtown’s streets were squalid and the police had a hands-off policy concerning street people, whose civil rights were being loudly proclaimed by left-wing activists. As a result, the business community felt its rights weren’t being protected, and Berkeley’s image became that of an anti-business, turn-a-deaf-ear city.
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By: Nancy Friedman

Nancy Friedman — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:21:31 +0000

@David: You have inspired me to write about homogenous and homogeneous on my own blog. http://is.gd/3Qnr

By: David

David — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:46:06 +0000

I think it might have eaten my comment.

Anyway, Nancy, homogenous:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/homogenous
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homogenous

etc.

By: David

David — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:37:08 +0000

Ok Nancy. Fun with spelling/grammar.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/homogenous
“homogenous [hom-oj-in-uss]
Adjective
having a similar structure because of common ancestry”
Or: http://www.answers.com/Homogenous
I was the Wisconsin State Spelling Bee runner-up. Just sayin’

As you state, many times different groups clustered around certain streets don’t commingle any more than residents of one small town mix with the next small town 10 miles away. Therefore, I think it’s silly to associate multiple main streets with a superior “mix” compared to small towns. It’s simply personal preference. Again, I’ve found it amusing, given that Berkeley and SF have only “lost diversity.” I also find it amusing that, say, New Yorkers won’t venture past the 6 square blocks surrounding their apartments, yet call small/mid-size city dwellers “provincial.” But that’s me.

By: Nancy Friedman

Nancy Friedman — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:43:06 +0000

@David–OK, I’ll tweak back: it’s homogeneous, not homogenous. And I didn’t mention “diversity” in my comment because I wasn’t referring to demographics. Rather, each neighborhood–for historical, geographical, social, or commercial reasons–has its own character and thus its own need for a main shopping street. Berkeley’s University Avenue draws South Asian customers to its sari shops and Indian restaurants; Telegraph Avenue serves the student population: the two groups may not commingle, but they definitely represent diverse demographic groups, and consequently the two streets have very different flavors. My own neighborhood is partly defined by its major “anchor,” the Kaiser hospital, whose employees and patients create a distinct and ongoing customer base for our shops and services. That’s a type of heterogeneity not duplicated in, say, the Laurel or the Fruitvale–but those neighborhoods have their own personalities.

And you don’t say where you live, but I can say for sure that my Oakland neighborhood has a vigorously diverse population: old folks who live in Piedmont Gardens and other senior housing; Harley owners who belong to the La Familia/Los Carnales motorcycle club; art students who walk to the CCA campus; Eritrean immigrants; Iranian and Ukrainian shopkeepers; young white, black, and Asian-American families; and the most interesting permanent residents of all: those sleeping underground at Mountain View Cemetery.

By: David

David — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:45:12 +0000

Just to tweak you, Nancy, but Berkeley and SF have only gotten more “homogenous” over the past 20 years, if you look at demographics, while many “small towns’ have become more heterogenous. I don’t care either way, and have always thought “heterogeneity” is a silly measure of desirability, but it amuses me to no end that people who espouse “diversity” in the Bay Area don’t realize that it has become only less “diverse” in recent years.

By: tracey.taylor

tracey.taylor — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:05:39 +0000

Nancy: You have exposed my ignorance of the history of American urban planning I fear! (Or organic growth over planning perhaps.)

I see that you must be right and your explanation certainly explains the plethora of “main street” possibilities in cities like Berkeley.

By: Nancy Friedman

Nancy Friedman — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:25:00 +0000

Thanks for the link and the kind words, Tracey!

As for why it’s so difficult to identify a main street in Berkeley (or Oakland, for that matter): it’s because only small towns have main streets. Cities of more than about 50,000 people become constellations of neighborhoods, each with its own main street. My “main street” is Piedmont Avenue; one neighborhood over the main street is Grand Avenue (or, in the opposite direction, College). Each has its own character.

And just think of all the “main streets” in San Francisco: 24th St., Hayes St., Fillmore…

Healthy cities are defined by their vibrant neighborhoods. I think it’s a good thing, not a drawback, that Berkeley and Oakland have so many “main” streets! I’ll take this heterogeneity over small-town life any day.